A Reader’s Experience with DUPA – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Dear Dr. Rassman, et al.,

I hope you are all having a good Labor Day holiday, and thanks for keeping this informative blog.

I am writing to share my experience with DUPA with others who may be affected by the condition, and to ask a couple of questions. This is a long email, but I hope it will be helpful to those who are in a similar situation, and I hope you’ll be able to post a reply.

I was diagnosed with DUPA this past January, 2007, and my doctor prescribed me Finasteride, 2.25 mg/day. I first noticed that I have thin hair about 7 years ago, but since then, while I had been disturbed by the thinness, I had not noticed it getting any worse, i.e., any thinner. Since being on Finasteride for about 8 months, I have noticed no difference in my hair, either positive or negative (which, I suppose, can be viewed as an overall positive). However, I have searched and searched the internet for information about DUPA, and apart from the websites that you have linked to in your previous posts (which themselves contain scant information), there is nothing. Therefore, I hope you can answer a couple of questions:

(1) Are there any DUPA resources that you know of, other than those you have previously linked to?

(2) Have you noticed, in your practice, any common progression to DUPA? (Specifically, I am wondering whether I can expect my thinness to get any worse-considering that I haven’t noticed any difference over the last 7 years (I’m 28 now)-or if DUPA tends to stabilize after a point).

I would also like to share with your readers the cosmetic solutions that I have found to work well for me, and ask you a few questions about them. I have found that both Toppik and Dermmatch work extremely well, both alone and in combination. For my particular situation (general thinness all over, but no large bald spots) I find that Dermmatch is the best cosmetic solution, and is most affordable (Toppik, I found, ended up costing about $60/month for me because of the amount I need to use, whereas Dermmatch costs me only about $15/month).

And the Dermmatch looks absolutely amazing, even after being caught in a rainstorm. My bathroom has a very bright, harsh florescent light, and I often stare at my hair after putting in the Dermmatch, and even though I know it’s there, I can’t detect it.

I have found that the best way to apply the Dermmatch is to use my fingers, rather than the paltry applicators that they provide. After showering, I wet my fingers, load them with a lot of wet Dermmatch, and apply it all over my scalp and hair using gentle circular motions, all the while regularly rewetting the Dermmatch container. Then I dry it and fluff it up with a couple of paper towels, to separate my hair and prevent it from clumping, and to remove the excess Dermmatch. Then I use a hair dryer to finish drying it, and finally I use a fair amount of hair spray to ensure that it doesn’t transfer onto my hands or pillow (or a girl’s, for that matter). The hair dryer and hair spray are essential, or else my hands and pillow become black if rubbed against my hair.

All in all, from the start of application to the time it’s fully dry and I’m ready to head out the door, it takes about 45 minutes. However, I have found that I can keep it in my hair for even up to a week without having to reapply it. I can even shower with it in-if I use just a small amount of shampoo, just enough to wash the sweat and greasiness out of my hair, the Dermmatch is relatively unaffected-all I need do is use a little bit of Toppik as a touch-up afterwards. This leads to my next question:

(3) Do you believe that there is any negative effect to leaving Dermmatch on my scalp for a multiple days and nights at a time? That is, could it accelerate my hair loss/inhibit growth by clogging my pores, or by some other mechanism-is it true what the Dermmatch website says, that “Sebum does not cause hair loss by blocking your follicles, nor do cosmetic products like DermMatch”?

I apologize for the long email, and I thank you and your colleagues again for keeping your informative blog—I have found it an invaluable salve to my vanity and intellect in the face of the misinformation that is rampant on the internet, for you prove that “at the length truth will out.”

Best regards.

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Thanks for sharing your story with us. I believe that our original paper first documented the term Diffuse Unpatterned Alopecia (DUPA) over 10 years ago. There is not much on this variation of the alopecias which appear in men. When it appears in women, it is called the same thing, but we expect that this is a presentation of the female version of genetic hair loss that impacts almost half of the female population, particularly weighted to the post-menopausal woman.

I personally believe that the appearance of DUPA in men can occur at any time in their lifetime. When seen in the elderly it is called senile alopecia, but I believe that the patients who are very old (75+), are just the sum of men who developed it in each decade (30s-70s), so it is more frequently seen in the older groups. Most of my patients who present with DUPA have what appears to be a stable condition, but that is probably because they come to me later in the process to get the diagnosis. A small number of men with DUPA that I have treated have responded to Propecia, but I do not believe that it is mediated by DHT so there is a questionable value with this approach. Using minoxidil would require a massive application to the entire scalp, but if there are areas that are particularly important, then it is worth trying.

Using DermMatch or other masking products should not cause damage and can be left on the scalp for days.

Hair Loss InformationUltra-Refined Follicular Unit Transplantation (FUT)? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Hi Doc,

What’s up with this new trendy “ultra refined” FUT? Accordingly to the clinics using this improvement of FUT, follicles are packed denser due to smaller incisions and transplants. Is this improvement really necessary and couldn’t it lead to a greater amount of lost transplants?

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Horse and buggyI have been doing this for years, so it is not all that new anymore. Many, many other doctors are late catching on, but it works well. Perhaps that is why it is “new” to some physicians.

In this follicular unit transplantation (FUT) technique, the use of smaller needles and better prepared grafts allow the placement of grafts closer together. The density of the grafts do reflect more fullness in the final results. I didn’t coin (nor do I use) the term ‘ultra-refined‘, but it sounds like a good descriptive tag. Most of the patients on our website have had this technique done.

Trendy? I guess so. I suppose it can be compared to the old days when the automobile replaced the horse/buggy, which I would call trendy in the early days.

Any Correlation Between Father’s and Son’s Ages of Balding? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Hi,
My dad started balding at the age of 40, and now at the age of 60 he shows diffused hairloss on top of scalp. I am 26 and I started to show the begining of his pattern last year. In your experience, is there any correlation between the dad’s age of balding, and the son’s, provided that the only “gene” for baldness comes from the dad? Can I maybe expect some stabilization now untill a later age?

Thanks a lot

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I am just a doctor, not a fortune teller. Male pattern hair loss is genetic, but there are no firm correlations on how it is passed on from father to son and at what age it will occur. Most bald men experience balding early on in their 20’s and 30’s. If your hair loss follows your father’s pattern and rate of hair loss, you might assume that will be your destiny. Find others in your family (mother and father’s side) and see whose patterns reflect the pattern of your hair loss.

Why Does DUPA Effect People Aged 16-23 More Than Others? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Hello i have a few questions about DUPA, i was wondering how long it took for your patients who responded well to propecia to notice visible result, coz ive bin on it for about 3 months and was wondering if i should quit.

also why do people aged 16-23 get dupa the most, what is causing this do you think?

And also i heard you say once that you prescribe dutasteride to patients with dupa if they dont respond to propecia why is this? has there been someone with dupa who has responded to dutasteride and not propecia.

please can you answer these please i would be most pleased

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I do not believe that DUPA (diffuse unpatterned alopecia) is most common in the 16-23 year old age group. I believe it is found in people of all ages. The effects of drugs like Propecia (finasteride) or Avodart (dutasteride) are not confirmed for the treatment of DUPA, but they are the only things available for it. I have seen some benefits from Propecia on DUPA patients.

What is the Next Big Development in Hair Loss Treatment?! – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Hi there,

I have a question about new developments in the treatment of male pattern hair loss. Apart from the clincial trial of Dutasteride, has there been any news in the field of novel medical
hair loss treatments which are being developed, tried and/or tested? Or is everything subject to strict confidentiality?

Thanks

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No new groundbreaking developments that I am aware of at this time. At the ISHRS meeting later this month, I will be able to probe many people for answers and will ask about what is coming down the pike.

Some People Use an Extensive Treatment Regiment – I Just Take Propecia – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I have recently begun usage of propecia and am happy to see noticably less hair falling out of my head however when i’ve researched hairloss medications online I have come upon forums in which people talk and regiments, xandrox 15, procerin, nizoral and all manner of things i’ve never heard of (eg. hairlosshelp.com forum post). My question is is my regiment of once a day propecia pill adequate or should I be using a regiment of extensive drugs and shampoos like these people to combat my hairloss? Thanks

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I do not give much credence to the value of the other approaches mentioned. One pill of Propecia each day should be adequate and it is certainly less complex.

Finasteride, Prostate, Muscle, and Hair Loss – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I am 43 with some recent thinning in the back crown area and slight thinning in the front although it is not noticeable. I am in an industry where my appearance is important. To look at me, though, you’d never notice hair loss. Dr. Bernstein prescribed Propecia but frankly I am concerned about:

  1. Muscle loss/decreased ability to build muscle
  2. Affect on prostrate
  3. Study indicating higher risk of higher grade prostrate cancer

Can you please comment. Thank you

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You can also ask these questions to Dr. Bernstein (in New York). He is a very reputable doctor and would trust his judgment.

  1. Propecia does not cause muscle loss or ability to build muscle.
  2. Propecia is finasteride in 1mg dose. Finasteride in the form of Proscar is a 5mg dose and it is used for men with benign enlargement of their prostate. It is also thought that finasteride in 5mg strength decreases prostate cancer risk by about 25% (Source: New England Journal of Medicine – July 17, 2003; vol. 349 no. 3). Men should NOT take finasteride to prevent prostate cancer.
  3. The same study stated that when prostate cancer was found the grade of cancer was higher at the 7th year of the study. The reason for that disparity was not clear. I personally do not believe the reports of higher grade prostate cancer with finasteride, because it is based upon somewhat dubious standards and a scoring system that is, in my opinion, outdated. When genetic testing is established (just like breast cancer), then the grading should be more reliable.

My opinion is that finasteride is a good medicine for both hair and prostate. Taking 1mg of finasteride (Propecia) is certainly a much lower concentration than the Proscar (finasteride 5mg) which was cited in the above study. The 1mg dose was determined to be equal to the 5 mg dose for hair loss. You must always judge the risks versus the benefits when taking any medication.

Miniaturization Mapping on the East Coast? – Hair Loss Information by Dr. William Rassman

Hello Dr.,

I read your post on mapping the scalp for miniaturization. I have been to several hair clinics, and no one provides the type of service you are describing. (mapping the scalp for miniaturization, and taking microscopic photos) I wish I could visit your office to get this type of service, where i could gauge my progress on propecia. But it is across the country.

Is there anyone in my area (NJ/NY/PA) that you know of that provides this service? I saw you recommend Dr. Berstein several times on this site, but i have visited him already, and he definitely does not do this.

I don’t understand why others don’t do it. One does not have to take pictures, just make an assessment of the degree of miniaturization by the anatomy of the scalp. I am sure Dr. Bernstein examined your hair with the densitometer, which is a manually held instrument and can give the exact same information. I have spoken with him about doing a more formal mapping of the hair for miniaturization and he has agreed that if you ask for it, he will do it.

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If I Get a Hair Transplant, Will the Volume of My Long Hair Be Noticably Thinner? – Hair Loss Information by Dr. William Rassman

I am a 42 y/o male,(Norwood 3)no “V” as of yet and I have long hair that reaches past the middle of my back. Should I ever require a transplant procedure will the volume of hair that flows down my back be noticibly reduced since follicles must be harvested from the back of the head? BTW, I have taken Avodart for 2 years with great success. I was getting a little thin in the crown area and now the crown has filled in very nicely, however, no such luck with the receding hairline.

Thanks

There should be a minimal reduction of hair volume from one hair transplant. I am curious to know why you are not taking Propecia (finasteride 1mg). Stronger medicine does not necessarily mean it works better. You may have had the same impact from Propecia alone.

Going Through Menopause and Losing Pubic Hair – Hair Loss Information by Dr. William Rassman

I have been having thinning pubic hair for about a year, I am 59 and have gone through menopause, although I still have the hot flashes, just not as strong as they use to be. I take no horomones at all, I am just managing on my own. Could this problem be hormone related, or is alopecia as you sometime refer too? I have no other hair loss at all, I have always had very thick head hair and still do. What do you think? thank you

If the loss is just limited to your pubic area (or underarm area), then I would assume that it is hormone related. Many people feel fortunate to have thinning pubic hair in today’s culture. If it bothers you and you are healthy, hair transplants from the scalp to the pubic area is something that is available. We do a few of these each year.

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