Hair Transplant Failure? (from Reddit)

You have a persistent frontal forelock which goes down to the highest crease on your furrowed brow. I feel strongly that when people have these forelocks or remnants of a low hairline that abuts the highest crease on your furrowed brow, then the transplant should incorporate these elements of the old hairline. If not, you may be stuck looking “not normal” and with a hairline that is seen as a hair transplant, regardless of its quality.
I sat on a jury, and the judge had a terrific hair transplant. I knew it was a hair transplant because it was placed too high and high receding hairlines are never tight. This is wrong for both the patient and the surgeon who performed it. Hairline location is critical on the first pass of any hair transplant process.
From the video, I am assuming that your hairline was placed too high and that is your complaint. If the grafts failed to grow, 99% of such failures are technical failures of the surgical team.
See Video here: https://www.reddit.com/r/tressless/comments/98clof/was_it_a_failure_7_month_hair_transplant_update/

Hair Transplant Doctors That Charge By the Session vs By the Graft

Can you please translate this.

I always thought that most hair loss surgeons charged by the graft. However, I noticed the following on a certain surgeon’s website. The surgeon is very well known and highly respected, so I don’t believe he is playing a pricing game, but I have no idea of what is meant by “charging by the session and NOT by the graft.”

Also, how could charging by the graft be misleading, like the wording claims? Please explain what he is trying to say and clarify how you charge.

From a certain surgeon’s website: “At (name removed), we try to keep hair surgery affordable. We charge by the session, not by the graft or hair, which can be misleading and overly expensive.

Most hair transplant clinics do charge by the graft. I think the surgeon who made the above statement clearly believes session charges are less misleading and have a greater value than graft charges. At one time, I entertained the idea of doing a session charge rather than a per graft charge, but I ran into a problem working through the details of the charging mechanism. For example, if a person had a session charge for 400-800 grafts and then another charge for 801-1200 grafts, would the person who paid for 801 grafts feel cheated when he knew that someone else paid a lesser price for 799 grafts? I think that a patient would want to know just what they are getting and per graft charges really reflect, in my opinion, the amount of work done and the value in transplanted hair to the outcome. Iin this example, there is almost no difference between a charge by the graft for 799 vs 801 grafts, compared with a big step up in pricing for a session charge.

Charging by the graft is like a lawyer charging by the hour. If the lawyer is honest in his hourly billing, the client actually pays for what he gets; likewise, if the surgeon actually delivers the grafts that he says he transplanted, the same question of honesty is raised by the patient who should ask, “How do I know what I purchased in number of grafts were actually delivered?”. Here’s a few posts about ethics in graft counting that may interest you:

Hair Transplant Doctor Training

What type of training does a hair transplant doctor need?

This is a difficult question to answer properly, so as I have lots of room and time to consider the question thoroughly, I will answer it in great detail. Read as much as you wish.

The Hair Restoration industry has a society called the ISHRS (International Society of Hair Restoration Surgeons) and they are trying to provide both the public and the doctors who ‘specialize’ in hair restoration a way to define this, both for those who call themselves specialists and those doctors who want to enter the field and learn how to become a hair restoration surgeon. As you may notice the way I started answering this question, I have divided the answer into two categories: The existing doctors who call themselves specialists (like myself) and the new doctors wanting to get into the field.

Existing Restoration Doctors: The existing group of hair restoration surgeons come from a wide diversity of specialties. Dermatology was the field that produced the original hair transplant process in the late 1950s, so this specialty has officially hosted the field ever since. The text books are largely written by Dermatologists and the leading medical journals in Dermatology have articles about advancements in the field with great frequency. In fact, most of the articles written by New Hair Institute doctors have been published in Dermatologic medical publications.

Now with that said, my training in hair restoration can be used as an example of one way into the field. I made a decision to get into the field in 1990 and visited doctors around North America after having read the two standard textbooks in the field. Once I decided to actually start a practice, I partnered with a doctor who had done thousands of these procedures and trained as a ‘preceptor’ with him for a period of 6 months. I personally felt capable of independence at that point, and continued working with him for a while, eventually spinning out a separate hair restoration practice. But training through a preceptor was nothing like my training as a surgeon (my actual credentials are as a general surgeon) where I spent 5 years working under the tutelage of many doctors in a formal training program where peer review was a daily process of supervision and training. In my surgical training, I also was rotated through a large number of related specialties which taught me much about how the body worked, how to perform surgery under many conditions, how to manage the very sick patient and how to manage patients with a wide variety of problems in the field. In effect, I was tested every day for 5 years and at the end of the process, I took a series of examinations that provided me credentials that are formerly recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties. The fields of dermatology, internal medicine and emergency medicine (where most of my colleagues come from) also have a certified training program with a similar grueling and intensive disciplined process that they had to go through to obtain their credentials. The ISHRS has endorsed a specializing board for this field. This requires taking an examination and amassing some patient experience. The American Board of Hair Restoration Surgeons is not however, recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties and to get to take the examination does not require a supervised training program of specified duration with constant monitoring of the progress of the training or the quality of the training. Most important, this ‘board’ does not supervise the training of a doctor to establish that this doctor has really met the standard of the industry. To a large degree, this problem reflects an absence of an industry standard as much as an agreement by industry ‘experts’ on what constitutes an industry standard. As such, I have personally not participated in the hair restoration ‘Board’ because of the general lack of standards in both the training and the quality of the doctors who call themselves Board Certified by this unofficial board. Despite this, many of the doctors who have obtained their certification from this board are good doctors trying their best to be the best. By taking this examination process they did show, at the least, that they are willing to be tested by their peers.

Doctors who want to become hair restoration surgeons have an enormous problem today. There are less then a half dozen 1 year fellowships with existing hair transplant surgeons. These one year fellowships are probably the best way to learn the field. Unfortunately, few medical practices see enough patients for a physician to accumulate enough experience. Worse still is the fact that the training programs do not build the type of proficiency in the manual skills of cutting and placing grafts. These two manual skills must be learned to be able to command every part of the hair transplant surgery. Too many doctors who do this surgery today are unskilled in cutting the grafts under the microscope or in placing very small grafts into a very small wound. These last two functions are supplied by medical assistants who work with the doctor as part of the surgical team. These technicians have no formal training program or certification process and they take years to train to levels of competence that make the surgical team proficient. Mastering these skills can not be done in a one year fellowship for the surgeon just because he will not have the actual time to master these graft cutting and placing skills. Also, managing the team for quality is what the surgeon must be able to do, because the follicular unit transplants themselves are not resilient and as such, are easily killed off. They are very vulnerable to dying or mismanagement from breakdowns in quality control procedures at the technician level. So the doctor training problem (because of the team nature of today’s modern hair transplant surgery) may be an insolvable problem. A new eager doctor must get training for himself and training for a team of people he puts together. Without patients of his own to practice on (coming through his office door in substantial quantities), he can not get the experience he needs to become good at it, or if he was good at it when he started, maintaining it would be the challenge. What is generally done by the novice start-up doctor, is that they hire itinerant surgical technicians who picked up their training elsewhere and bring someone elses experience to the surgery. The problem that this creates is that the technicians impose their quality and their training onto the doctor’s team. The team is only as good as its weakest person.

I can tell you of a couple of stories about doctors who went into the business recently. They are the ones I hear about, so they may be the bad stories. I suspect that I do not get the good stories through my network in this industry. I’m not naming names, so we’ll just call them Dr. X, Y, and Z.

Dr. X: Dr. X called Dr. Experience and asked if he could visit his office to watch a surgery. He came for a couple of hours. The next week, Dr. X had an Ad running in the newspapers announcing the opening of the practice. In the first day of surgery, Dr. X experienced uncontrolled bleeding. He called Dr. Experience for advice. In my Jewish culture, we call that type of bravado “Chutzpa” and it reflects badly on the doctor’s moral character as he is willing to experiment on unsuspecting patients without giving that patient ‘informed consent’.

Dr. Y: Dr. Y started his practice by doing the older type of plugs. In this way he kept his expenses down and the size of the surgery manageable. I met the unfortunate patient 6 months later, who much to my surprise, had the quality of work that was abandoned over a decade ago. The end result was an angry patient who was deformed by the procedure. I do not know what happened to the doctor, but when I called he was not doing hair transplants any longer.

Dr. Z: Observed me in my office irregularly over months. A few months into his own practice, he did one of his first hair transplants without adequate staff or skills. Unfortunately, he took out a strip of skin from the back of the head that he could not sew together. The result of this procedure was loss of the blood supply to an area of scalp 9 by 3 inches in size. A black, necrotic area developed and a wide scar (nine by three inches) resulted. I understand that a malpractice action was filed against Dr. Z.

Responsibility That Comes with Being a Hair Transplant Surgeon: One of the highest priorities for this industry is to identify some type of training modules or experiences for doctor. In this way, a good doctor can start building a resume that has a good credentialing program association. When people want to do this type of surgery, they should be able to sign up for and complete an introductory course that will bring some of the nuances for this type of career to the forefront. Then, a mechanism must be created to deal with the education, experience and hands-on training they must get. The problem is that there is no general agreement on what it takes to train a doctor short of the old preceptor approach. I have trained many doctors through preceptorships, some of whom (I am sorry to say) will never make good hair transplant doctors. We have also held a series a courses approved by the American Association of Dermatology where over 100 physicians have taken didactic and surgical training with us. These courses were comprehensive and extensive, but the 22 credit hour course would not prepare any doctor to do this surgery. This hair restoration industry has unfortunately had a long history of producing ugly and at time deforming work. These procedures were inflicted on tens of thousands of people over the past 40 years. It was the Standard of Care for far too long. Although this type of work is less common today, the new doctors entering the field could become as much a victim of their exuberance to enter the field as the patients they may ‘practice’ upon.

Hair Transplant Doctor Credentials?

Good Morning Doctor,

My husband is consider hair restoration surgery. We are looking for a qualified surgeon. Are there training programs for hair restoration surgery I SHOULD be asking our doctor if he or she attended? It seems like a lot of dermatologists are doing this surgery, but I don’t see a training program or fellowship in hair restoration in their title or advertisements. Is this something the doctor learns on his/her own? What should I look for to be sure I’m getting a good doctor?

Thanks.

I’ve written about this many times. The first link below is probably the most comprehensive of the articles I wrote on the subject, but the others should also prove helpful:

Many doctors do learn this on their own and some of those doctors learned it well, while others never learn it. I’ve discussed how to select a doctor and what to look out for in the following posts:

Hair transplant disappointing, need your opinion

Hello Dr. Rassman, I need your opinion on my situation. I’m just looking for an informal opinion.

I received a 2900 graft transplant for my nw 3 last year to rebuild my hairline/temples and strengthen my temple points. I went to a prominent surgeon in Europe. I have very thick/coarse hair with a 2.81 hair per graft ratio. My average hair thickness is 61 microns.

My result turned out ok. I got good coverage but was expecting more in terms of density due to my hair characteristics.

I consulted with my surgeon at the end of one year and he noticed that a good portion of multi haired 3,4, and some 5 hair grafts had only 2 hairs and some 3. He thinks my yield is fine (85-90%) however. He suspects there was trauma either during extraction or implantation when using an implanter pen. The first surgery utilized a .9mm manual punch which he says it typically the biggest he uses. His plan is to do a touch up and increase both the punch size to a .95mm and increase the size of the implanter pen. He will also use pre made incisions for the large 5 hair grafts.

I asked if the trauma could be spotted during graft inspection since they are evaluated under magnification. He said no as the trauma is likely on the root sheath and that can’t be seen.

My questions are:

  1. Do you think this is a good plan moving forward to achieve better density? I know no surgery is risk free
  2. Do you think the trauma explanation regarding the root sheath is feasible?

Thanks for your time

Your doctors sounds like he understands the problem. Small punches can be a problem but with a 61 micron hair thickness, that is an average hair weight, which should not have been a problem. The high hair count per Follicular unit could have produced damage during excision as he suggested. It is good that he is sticking with you and doing what is right to make you happy! That is a class act.


2020-04-13 09:48:58Hair transplant disappointing, need your opinion

Hair Transplant Density

what is the most you pack per cm2 when you do a transplant????? please let me know .. thanks

Density of the average person is about 200 hairs per square mm. A doctor can transplant as high as 10-50% of the original density. It is important to focus more in the issues of fullness. This is not a ‘weight lifting contest’, which is unfortunately what some doctors are pushing for. I could transplant as much as 50% of the original density, but the real issues are:

  1. Will it grow? There are many factors that will determine this: the health of the skin, the amount of atrophic changes in the skin caused by sun damage and the advanced level of balding, scarring that is present, etc. We generally expect that growth will approach 100% of what is transplanted, but that is only true when everything is right-on — and that rarely happens.
  2. What is needed? This is the most important question that must be asked. People with low hair to skin color contrast, good texture, good hair thickness, etc. do not generally require the greatest densities to achieve the look of fullness.

Hair transplantation is as much an art as it is a surgical process. The judgments of a good surgeon with years of experience will make the correct decisions that are in the best interests of the patient.

Am I a Hair Transplant Candidate?

What is your age? Your hairline is clearly high. I would love to see pictures with your eyebrows lifted so the creases on your forehead show. This will tell me where your hairline belongs and if it has receded. Then, maybe knowing your age and seeing those pictures, I can give you a suggestion. If you are over 25, you would make a good hair transplant candidate to lower the hairline which will better balance your facial features.

What shall I do with my hair? Transplant/medication/hair system ? from tressless


2018-08-03 09:15:01Am I a Hair Transplant Candidate?

Hair Transplant Before Face Lift?

I have a question about possible future hairloss. I have a list of procedures I want to have done and thought I knew the best ordering of them. I plan on having a hair transplant first, this so my hair has time to regrow. About 6 to 7 months later I would have a SMAS Facelift. However, I have been reading about the hairloss common to post face lifting and now I am perplexed. Bear in mind, my eyebrows are to be lifted with a method that doesn’t go near my hairline on top, however, it is the sides of my hairline, the temple region that has me stressed. A facelift will deal in that area and quite truthfully, I can’t afford to lose hair there. It is already thinned out considerably as it is. But, I need to have the facelift. So, is it possible to have a “temple” hair transplant? I don’t see any way around this. Help me by imparting your knowledge so I make an educated choice. I think I can proceed with the transplant on top, to be scheduled in early december, but what about the temples and future facelift?

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my question and solve this.

Generally, I like to do hair transplants after face lifts, because if there are any problems to the hair caused by the face lift or brow lift, they can be addressed at the time of the hair transplant. A good deal of my practice is this type of surgery. Clearly, the newer face lift procedures spare some, but not all of the problems. You can follow your facelift with a hair transplant after a few weeks to a few months. If there are hair problems following the facelift, they will be evident by month three.

Hair Transplant at Early Stage of Hair Loss?

hi doctor,
in your earlier blog you said that best time to do a hair transplant is when the hair loss becomes unbearable and you(doctor) has something to work upon.however in your recent blog you said that it is better to have hair transplant in early stage. what exactly in your view is the better option?

For starters, you need a Master Plan to understand what is going to happen to you.

Hair transplants work well early in some men if there is obvious balding, but just having miniaturized hair and some thinning may be better treated with medications like Propecia (finasteride) before considering a surgical approach. Frontal areas, as they bald, work well with hair transplants, while crown areas may take huge amounts of hair that will not meet your needs in the supply/demand ratios of your hair density and scalp laxity.


2009-03-19 12:23:58Hair Transplant at Early Stage of Hair Loss?