FUE with 2500 grafts 2.5 months ago

I got the surgery done, 2500 grafts, at a top US surgeon 2.5 months ago. So far hair has grown in around the edges, but not in the majority of the center. I’ve been on fin for 4 months. Is this considered normal? I didn’t do ACell/PRP.

You need to wait this out. You will see growth start around 3-5 months and be at styling length by the 8th month. The ACell and PRP has not significant value anyway for hair growth from a hair transplant


2020-08-03 15:47:05FUE with 2500 grafts 2.5 months ago

Fue White Scars in the Donor Area

In reference to this question about donor healing after FUE: https://baldingblog.com/2007/05/09/1-year-post-op-photo-of-fue-donor-area/

How often do you see patients who don’t have white spots from the FUE? I recently got a procedure done by a doctor that promised me no white scar formation, but all I’ve read online since then is that its inevitable to get white scars. Seeing this picture of your patient gave me hope. I have fair skin and coarse hair (I’m Asian). I’m hoping to hear good news.

Scarring is the result of two things: (1) the size of the instrument used and (2) the healing properties of your scalp. Clearly, the surgeon only has control of #1.


2018-09-19 06:16:36Fue White Scars in the Donor Area

FUE vs Strip — A Technical Analysis

This comes from prominent New York hair transplant surgeon, Dr. Michael Beehner:

With FUE, it is easy to fracture the neck of the base of the follicle when the bulb is “naked” and then grasped for placement, while in microscopic dissection with a strip harvest, there is good fat around the base of the follicle and fracture of the hair follicle almost never occurs during placement. When all of the people placing the grafts have to grasp the naked follicle, I think this causes a kink on the end of the exposed follicle and may be accompanied by poor growth.

Quite frankly, I wish that, instead of our always talking to the patient about the choice between FUE and “strip” harvesting, I would rather talk about FUE vs. “microscopic dissection of grafts”, because this is where the biggest difference is between the two procedures. Also, the FUE often strips the end of the graft as it is being pulled out, leaving less tissue and fat on the end. With strip harvest and microscopic dissection, the doctor’s staff have total control on how that graft will be produced and we never see stripped grafts. Also, the fact that in a strip surgery, we are always taking the strip from the absolute richest center of the scalp where the best hairs are, this makes the choice difference for me a “no-brainer”.

I have no trouble convincing 95% of my patients who walk in seeking FUE to go with strip when I present the FUE problems to them this way. I explain all of these things and reassure them that many patients have almost undetectable strip scars.

We wrote about Follicular Unit Extraction (FUE) vs Strip (FUT) nearly two years ago: FUE vs FUT — Which is Better?

When you look at a follicular unit, you will see all of the anatomical parts that are traditionally created from a strip harvesting technique. All of the critical anatomy is preserved as the grafts are dissected under a microscope from the strip harvest. Damage, providing that the grafts remain hydrated, is rare and growth is excellent.

When FUE’s are done, the follicular units are not-infrequently disrupted in some manner, and these grafts may not grow as well as a result of the disruption. This is shown in some grafts that we put aside for trimming when a patient had the type of collagen that resisted the extraction in the FUE process. This is viewed here. Once these second class grafts are trimmed, they must be grasped with a forceps at the bulb or just above the bulb, which can fracture the hair shaft (this is what Dr. Beehner was talking about above).

With good instrumentation and considerable experience, FUE can be done as successful as with a strip; however 100% of patients do not have a tissue anatomy that allows such a clean FUE. This was discussed in our pioneering article that introduced FUE to the medical profession.

FUE vs Strip — A Technical Analysis (Continued)

A couple weeks ago, we wrote a post titled: FUE vs Strip — A Technical Analysis. In it, we discussed how the anatomy of SOME follicular units in SOME patients get disrupted, stripping off the fat from the lower part of the hair follicles.

We had two patients this week that provided some good examples we can delve into —

1. Patient #1 had a strip surgery, and we harvested two 2-hair grafts and two 3-hair grafts for this example. Note that all of the anatomy is present (sebaceous gland, fat to the bottom of the hair follicles) as shown in the photo below (click to enlarge):

 

2. Patient #2 had FUE performed, and if you look carefully, the bottom of the grafts have some missing tissue on them. This resulted when these grafts were pulled from the scalp after the FUE was cored. Parts of the end of the graft (surrounding the bulb) are devoid of the capsule and fatty covering that can be seen in the strip grafts. The photo below shows 7 follicular units extracted by FUE in a FOX negative patient (click to enlarge):

 

From the left, grafts #1-3 had loss of fat with intact follicular sheath (glistening membrane surrounding the hair follicles). These grafts should grow well; however, no studies on such grafts have ever been done.

Grafts #4 and #6 showed that some hairs were pulled apart within the follicular unit, probably when it came out of the scalp (a common occurrence in FOX negative patients). The missing parts of the lower half of these follicles were probably not transected with the punch instrument and will not produce hair; however the remaining follicles should grow. Again though, no studies on such grafts have ever been done.

Grafts #5 and #7 show intact follicular sheaths; however there is some mechanical “fracture” at the end of the intact hair shafts. We do not know if this will impact graft growth, but these changes are not uncommon in the FOX negative patients. These grafts should grow well, but… well, no studies on such grafts have ever been done.

 


There’s also Patient #3 that we performed surgery on some time back with FUE2. Notice that the fat remains around the follicular units:

 

Patient #1 (strip) and Patient #3 (FUE2) are essentially the same quality of preserved anatomy, though Patient #2 (FUE) seems less than ideal. The question here is whether Patient #2 will grow every follicular unit with a normal hair shaft thickness. Clearly, the grafts that have missing hairs will not grow those missing hairs. The grafts that have fully intact hairs will probably grow these hairs; however, there is no certainty here and it is possible that the quality of the grafts that lost their fat from the lower half, if they grow, may grow a shaft that is less thick.

Everything about Patient #2 and the success of these grafts are unknown. In Patients #1 and #3, virtually every graft should grow to their normal potential.

I hope that these photos help you understand the fine nuances that differentiate the various forms of FUE and strip procedures, and the difference in patients as seen when comparing Patients #1 and 3 to Patient #2.

We need to have comparable grafts studied from the ARTAS Robotic System to compare apples to apples. I suspect that the ARTAS system will produce grafts that are less than perfect in the FOX negative patients.

FUE vs FUT — Which is Better?

ImageThere is a question arising out of the hair transplant community which is becoming polarized and lining up for a fight: Which is better, FUT (Follicular Unit Transplant with Strip) or FUE (Follicular Unit Extraction)? Some doctors have already specialized in performing FUE alone, so their opinion is already made up. Some doctors new to the business entered the FUE market having never done an FUT strip procedure. That means that the nuances of quality control have not been learned (tricks to prevent graft damage from manipulation and drying).

I have had the opportunity to speak with some of these new doctors and they reported a substantial failure rate in their initial patients, but with time, they learned how to prevent damage and minimize transection of the grafts, and their results progressively got better. Their decisions on becoming hair transplant surgeons were initially made from a business mindset, under the assumption that the market demand would be there as they learned the process. This assumption is what actually happened. They also made the assumptions that the FUE technique would eventually be as good as the FUT technique over time. Again, this was a business, not a medical decision, and only time will tell these doctors if the quality of their work has met the needs of the patients.

ImageThe long term results with FUE (particularly on donor area damage in extensive FUE grafting) is not yet in. When we introduced the FUE technique in 2002 at the international meeting and in the Journal of Dermatological Surgery, there was not too much of an initial reaction, because the doctors who tried it quickly failed to get good quality grafts out. I remember two doctors in particular (names withheld) — one called me the first day after I returned from the meeting and I spent an hour on the phone explaining the subtle nuances that made it work for us. He thanked me, then quickly announced his new “pioneering invention”, the FUE technique, both on his website and through various press releases. Clearly he did not have the time to do more than one procedure and I felt sorry for that patient, a victim of a doctor’s greed for fame and money.


Another doctor who came out and quickly started offering FUE was more subtle about it, and it took longer to establish a presence in the market. His initial work produced many failures, some of which I saw in consultations in my office, and much of it through emails with pictures I received from the victims. For some doctors, FUE is about money and not about patient welfare.

ImageI predict that the history of FUE will parallel the history of the FUT strip procedure, which we pioneered in the early 1990s. As the FUT strip surgery caught on and as more and more doctors offered the procedure, performing the surgery on patient after patient, they too found that the initial results produced a high failure and complication rate. It took years to learn (1) how to get growth, (2) how to increase the number of grafts extracted and implanted safely in one session, and (3) how to avoid the terrible scar and donor wound complications (the worst being gangrene of the donor area). These three “HOW TOs” are the same issues with FUE that we are now confronted with. Only time will tell us what results we will get and only doctors who do both procedures will be in the best position to judge this comparison today.

Dr. Robert Bernstein (who also co-authored our original work on FUE), has since purchased and installed an FUE robot (Artas® System), which puts him in a unique position to draw conclusions to the question, “Which is Better, FUE or FUT?” He wrote the following text, which I totally agree with:

“I explain to patients that FUT (via strip) will give the best cosmetic results (more volume) since the grafts are of better quality (when using microscopic dissection, there is less transection and more surrounding tissue to protect the grafts) and better graft selection (the grafts can all be harvested from the mid-portion of the permanent zone) In contrast, in FUE you need approximately 5 times the area. Because of this large donor area requirement, some of the hair must be harvested from fringe areas and thus the hair will be less stable genetically. I relate that with subsequent FUT procedures we remove the first scar, but with subsequent FUE sessions we are adding additional scars, so over the long-term the cumulative scarring over large areas can present its own problems of visibility.”

“I explain that the main advantage of FUE is to have the option of wearing your hair very short (but not shaved). FUE is also appropriate for patients who are at risk for a widened donor scar (i.e., very athletic and muscular or with thin, tight scalps etc.). I relate to patients that, in my experience, Robotic FUE is superior to other FUE methods in that it is much more accurate and more consistent. It enables the doctor to extract grafts with less damage than with hand-held instruments or other automated devices.”

ImageDr. Bernstein, like the editors of this blog and other good doctors, focus on quality care, safety, integrity, and discussing a balanced view of the FUE vs FUT discussion with the patient. When presented to the patient considering this decision, we call this “informed consent” and it not only reflects basic courtesy and respect shown to the patient, it is a requirement of the laws of most states and countries.

The patient must be presented a balanced view of the risks vs rewards of any procedure offered and the alternatives available to him/her. There are many good doctors who share these views.

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FUE vs FUT confused

I’m confused why people even consider FUE. FUT has clearly shown to be able to extract more follicles from the safe zone and have a higher survival rate. Our limiting factor is the number of hair follicles we have. So besides an unsightly scar (which we can wear our hair long to hide), why FUE over FUT?

For the men with advanced balding patterns like the Class 5-7 patterns, I personally believe that the strip surgery is better because you don’t develop a see-through donor area as the donor gets depleted with FUE when the number of total grafts extracted exceeds 3500 grafts. This applies to a man with medium weight hair and a normal donor density. Men with coarser hair and higher than normal donor densities can get more than 3500 grafts extracted safely with FUE


2020-12-01 07:01:08FUE vs FUT confused

FUE Transection

Hello Dr. Rassman,

One of your patients just checking in to say hi and ask a simple question:

Its been 10 years since your famous article on FUE (you link it frequently on this site)

How have your transection rates improved since then?

Back when we originally defined this procedure and published it in a peer reviewed journal (see here), we classified patients in 5 different categories defining the difficulty in doing FUE and the transection rate. These groups still apply and there are occasional patients (under 10%) who are still not good candidates for FUE. In other words, the human physiology has not changed over time.

Some patients may NEVER be good FUE candidates. We still strive for improvements, and with Dr. Pak’s engineering and clinical background we have changed our technique with a much better instrument that we pioneered to minimize transection. We recently received a patent on this instrument. When we made the breakthrough years ago, we called it the FUE2. This technology combines injecting fluid into the wound around the punch simultaneous with the extraction. The actual instrument has an injection needle welded to it. This has allowed us to decrease our transection rate in most of the patients years ago that we called “FOX negative”. The instrument design also allows us speed in the extraction process. Thanks to these innovations, the procedure is more practical, more efficient, and just plain better than most other instruments available (at least in our hands). Note the quality of the grafts in this link. The grafts are beautiful shaped and clearly show no transection.

Transection rates of under 10% should be the norm and when the transection rates go up above this number, we address with each patient who is impacted by a less efficient process. We still occasionally perform our infamous FOX test, which is essentially a test of up to 10 grafts extracted and the transection rate examined in this test group so we can anticipate the transection rates in advance. Unfortunately, not many doctors offer this test and the world continues to believe FUE is the best way to go about surgery (without taking transection into the equation).

Worse still, many doctors may misrepresent their transection rates and claim numbers that are unrealistic in their hands, but for marketing reasons they make claims suggesting they are as good as the best doctors out there. I know of a few doctors that live in an illusion which reflects technical skills that are way beyond their reach… and we see their patients frequently in the office for a second opinion.

FUE Transection

Dr. Rassman,
I was looking at Dr. James Harris’s website and noticed some research he has done with new instrumentation for his SAFE System. I e-mailed him and asked if he planned to try to get this published and I have not heard back from him. Is there any data on the industry average of transection rates? Here is some of what his research stated according to his website:

“In the study by Rassman, Bernstein, et al, 20% of patients were “not” good candidates for FUE due to the high rates of follicle damage. Dr. Harris’ Safe System is being used by many doctors as a tool for FUE. It uses blunt dissection. It was this technology, that was adopted by the Artas® system and incorporated into their FUE protocol.

“Discussion/Results: Over 40 patients have been subjects of this new methodology and instrumentation. The range of grafts extracted in this series has been between 50 and 1400 grafts. Transection rates of hair follicles have ranged from 0% to 8% thus far. All patients so far would be considered candidates for FUE using the SAFE System, as the follicle damage rate is less than 20%. The rate of follicle extraction has been as high as 300 grafts per hour. A test case on the extraction of 20 grafts each on an African American patient and a gray haired patient revealed a 0% transection rate.”

Conclusion: The SAFE System has the capability to expand patient candidacy for FUE to virtually 100% of patients, including African Americans and those with gray hair.

Source: https://www.hsccolorado.com/Research.aspx

Cheers

Dr Harris is my friend and he is a great surgeon. He has devised a powered blunt punch technique which seems to solve the transection problems in the hands of many doctors. There is no data on the industry average of FUE transection rate. My publication with Dr. Bernstein is the only publication I know of and in my opinion the true industry average for transection is probably more than 10%. It’s just that nobody will ever admit to it since it will kill their business. In my practice with Dr. Pak (in which he performs most of the FUE procedures), our transection rates range from 3 to 10% (depending on the individual patient’s hair/scalp characteristics). In the past, we have disqualified patients who were poor candidates (produced transections above 10%) as we test them prior to the scheduled FUE surgery.

In my humble opinion, there is no such thing as 100% success or 0% transection rate. Only thing 100% in this world is death and taxes. Transection rate is not necessarily the golden standard, as damage to the hair grafts occur when they are removed and probably cause more damage than a transection rate of 10%.
death and taxes


2014-08-25 07:22:19FUE Transection

FUE Training and Tools

I’ve read your blog with interest, especially having just returned from the ISHRS at San Diego. Could you comment more about the types of punch biopsy that you use, and where one can purchase them. Also, can arrangement be made where I can get some hands-on/observation training on the FUE technique?

Any help would be appreciated.

I am generally not in a position to train doctors. It takes many months to learn and master the FUE technique. Generally, I believe that a year fellowship is the right solution for the doctor who wants to learn this process. Structured learning is the right way to learn. The instruments are not available for sale yet.