Doesn’t a Class 5 Hair Loss Pattern Initially Start as Class 2 First? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

This is a comment we received to a post from last week — Settling In to a Hair Loss Pattern:

and even the balding patients who start as a class 5 may not go much further

I am a little confused about this comment, does not everyone who start balding start at a class 2 which progresses towards a 3, then 4 and so on. how can a person start at class 5 if they already have a considerable amount of hair loss as class 5?

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Norwood 5Sorry about that. I thought it was pretty clear. In the post you’re referencing, I said the “Norwood chart is not to be seen as a progression of hair loss chart, but rather the final patterns seen in a large male population.” Here’s what I meant…

When you bald, a pattern will develop and at times it may look like those patterns on the Norwood chart. If it isn’t visibly evident, the loss may show with a microscopic exam of your hair at various areas on your scalp. This is what we call the miniaturization study.

A patient can just start thinning all over the scalp like a class 5 or a 6 from the beginning of his hair loss process. It doesn’t have to go Norwood 2, then 3, then 4, and so on. A microscopic assessment of your hair (miniaturization study) will show much more than what your naked eye sees in the early stages of hair loss.

Normal Daily Scalp Hair Loss? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I’ve always read that we lose 50-100 hairs a day but how much of that hair comes from the scalp or do we really lose 50-100 hair from the scalp? It would certainly explain the 30+ strands of hair that gets caught on my comb whenever I brush my hair.

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WindyWe typically lose 100 scalp hairs each day… and most of that loss may occur when you are outside with the wind blowing through your hair doing your everyday activities. We are born with approximately 100,000 hairs on our scalp. While you may be losing 100 scalp hairs a day, your body is also growing 100 scalp hairs that you cannot see to keep things on a balance.

If you’re seeing 30+ hairs each time you comb your hair, I have to wonder if you’re wearing a hat or using gel/wax that could trap the hair that would normally fall out during the course of your day. Or perhaps you’ve got some sort of hair loss.

Hair Loss InformationYour Hunch Was Right – I Have Alopecia Areata – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Dr. Rassman,
Some time back I made the following posting and your hunch turns out to be right! I went to see a hair loss specialist (on my own as my physician tends to be dismissive). She did a biopsy and the results came back indicating alopecia areata. She recommended that I see a dermatologist. When I had the results in hand, only then did I tell my physician. My physician said he would refer me to dermatologist but the problem is there so few in our city that it takes months to get an appointment. Even then, preference is given to patients with more severe conditions.

I am wondering what I can do in the meantime. It seems my hairloss area is growing. The funny thing is that it looks somewhat like mpb. Initially the hairloss was visible only on the front right side just behind the hairline and then progressed towards the hairline and further back. The left sides is also catching up.

I’m really stressed out about this as my head does look good with short hair.

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Treatment options are limited for alopecia areata, but a great starting point is the National Alopecia Areata Foundation. I wish I could offer more, but at this time you should see the dermatologist… and if it takes too long for an appointment, ask your doctor for another referral to someone that can get you in sooner.

Good luck to you!

My Doctor Just Told Me to Use Rogaine If I Was Concerned – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I went to my Dermatologist because i was concerned about my recent hair loss. He told me i didnt look too bad and to use rogaine if I was concerned. I have been using it for a month and I know thats too soon to tell but from everything i have read it does not work on the hairline above the temples and that is where the hairloss is visible. i may have so slight thinning at the crown but it is not visible.

i am a 27 year old male and began to notice visible hair loss above the temples about 5-6 months ago. Should I consider using propecia? Do you need pictures?

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DoctorPropecia (finasteride) might be a possibility, but without seeing you I can’t make that recommendation. It’s a prescription medication and one of the two hair loss medications approved by the FDA. You’re not guaranteed to regrow your hairline with Propecia, but hopefully it could slow the loss. The earlier you start the medication into your hair loss process, the better.

Rogaine (minoxidil) is the other FDA approved hair loss medication, but regrowth at the hairline/temples isn’t a sure thing with that one either. It is available over-the-counter without a prescription, so perhaps your doctor didn’t want to prescribe you any medication (so he just told you to use Rogaine)… or maybe he just doesn’t know much about treating hair loss. In any case, if you feel that your doctor was dismissive and didn’t give you full consideration, you might consider seeing another doctor.

Hair transplant doctors are a good source for hair loss info since they specialize in the field, as opposed to general dermatologists. Just don’t get pressured into having a surgery. You can find a transplant doctor in your area using the physician search at ISHRS.org. Or if you’d like to send us photos and setup a phone consultation, our email address is on the contact page.

Is Toppik Causing My Hair Loss to Speed Up? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I have used the “cover-up” product, Toppik, for a couple of years with pretty good results. I have recently read — albeit online, so of course I am quite guarded in my reaction — that there is aluminum in this keratin fiber product which may actually clog pores and cause or speed up hair loss/miniaturization. While I have continued to thin in the front and temples where I use the product, I atrributed that to the progress of MPB, not this product. Do you have thoughts on this? Do you ever suggest these types of products, of course, in conjunction with other treatments (HT, finasteride, etc)?

Also, can one use a product like Toppik in the recipient and donor areas after an HT to camouflage the scabbing/markings until healing — particularly in FUE procedures?

Dr, thanks for providing this service. You are setting yourself far apart with this type of service to those with hair loss issues.

I also welcome other readers to post their thoughts if they have used Toppik or other similar products. Thank you.

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ToppikTopical “cover-up” products like Toppik or DermMatch do not cause hair loss, nor would it cause an increase in loss. Male pattern hair loss is from genes. You’re using these products so it’s likely you’ve got genetic hair loss… and that loss is progressing.

Some patients use Toppik or DermMatch after a hair transplant surgery to cover the scabs during the healing process. When removing it, you must not scrub the scalp harshly or you can pull out your existing hair. You can use either of them in conjunction with finasteride.

If any reader would like to contribute information about personal experiences with these camoflauging agents, please feel free to post a comment…

Hair Loss InformationMy Aunt Got a Chemical Burn a Year Ago and Still Has a Bald Spot – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Hi there it has been 1 year since my aunt has burnt my scalp with a relaxer it was red then healed but now there is a bald spot will my hair grow back and i am 14. what can i do to help it grow back? how fast will it grow? please help!

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Honestly, I do not know. Your aunt’s hair may never grow back if the damage is significant and the burn went down to the root of the hair. If it was to grow back, I’d expect it might have grown back by now (since it’s been a year) or at least some regrowth should’ve occurred.

She should have the burned area examined by a dermatologist.

Hair Loss InformationMy Hair Looks Worse After Each Transplant! – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Doctor,

I started noticing hair loss around the age of 26. I tried the laser for a year and did not believe it worked and took propecia, but felt that did not provide help either. In 2009 I decided to have a hair transplant surgery 2,000 hairs. 1,000 in the front and 1,000 in the back.

After the transplant I began finasteride and rogaine to maintain the amount. I was so happy after the first 6 months, until I started noticed thinning in the front again. Everytime I go to the doctor who will remain nameless they say things are fine. I went for the second procedure a year later to thicken up the front. It has been 5 months and the front looks worse and the back is starting to thin out on the sides and a little in the middle. I have a few questions.

  1. Can the initial surgery cause this shedding to occur and then stop?
  2. Could the rogaine cause an adverse affect? Every time I use the rogaine and start combing my hair at least 10-20 hairs come out. I read somewhere that if shedding does not stop after 5 months then stop.
  3. Does the finasteride not work as well as the propecia? These 2 drugs should keep the back fine, but that is not the case.
  4. Also could transplanted hair fall out?

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I cannot comment too much on your particular issues, because I’ve never examined you… but I suspect there was no Master Plan associated with your hair loss issue and you were chasing after a goal that wasn’t clearly laid out. It’s possible you were never given realistic expectations. Perhaps you should see another surgeon for his/her opinion.

1. I do not know what your initial surgery was, what it was suppose to do, or even if it was successful. In general, you can have shock hair loss from the surgery itself. That’s one possibility. The shedding from shock hair loss is permanent.

2. Rogaine is a topical medication to grow hair, not lose hair. If you have an adverse reaction, then ask your doctor for an examination. Losing 10-20 hairs is normal with or without Rogaine. Finally, some patients report slightly more hair loss when starting Rogaine treatment, but as you continue to use it there should not be a problem. The initial hair loss from Rogaine is thought of as a “cycling” of the old hair falling out in preparation of new hairs to grow.

3. Propecia is finasteride in 1mg strength. There is no difference as it is the same medication. Propecia is the marketing name, like Tylenol is the marketing name for acetaminophen… or Rogaine is the name for minoxidil. I’m not sure what you mean by the “back” … is it the back of the head (donor area) or the top/crown?

4. Transplanted hairs are considered permanent as your donor hair. They do fall out as the hairs cycle, but it regrows.

Hair Loss InformationI Just Moved and Now I’m Losing Hair – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I recently moved to US (bay area) and have been noticing a lot of hair fall. Slightly pulling my hair causes them to come out. I have no serious illness etc. What could be causing the increased hair loss?

Thanks!

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It could be a variety of things. Perhaps it is your genetics and the timing was coincidental to the move… or it could be stress-induced (moving can do that)… or it could be allergy… etc, etc. I really have no way to know based on your email with limited information. You should see a doctor if you’re concerned.

Hair Loss InformationSettling In to a Hair Loss Pattern? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Hi, Dr. Rassman. Thanks for answering all of our questions.

My question is, How likely is it for someone to “settle in” to a level of hair loss (Norwood 3A, for example) and not see any more rapid loss for a period of time (years, for example)? Do some people get to a certain level of hair loss beyond a mature hairline and stay that way without medication? Or is your fate essentially sealed after you reach a certain level?

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Let me clarify what I see as your misunderstanding. The Norwood chart is not to be seen as a progression of hair loss chart, but rather the final patterns seen in a large male population.

Some people do seem to go from a Norwood class 3 to a 4 and then to a 5 pattern, but you may just “settle in” to your Norwood 3A state, as an example. There is really no 100% certainty, but a good doctor with a good miniaturization study and examination can give you a better assessment of what hair may go with time. Here’s the Norwood chart so we’re all on the same page:

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Your “fate” was sealed in your genetic code when you were conceived many, many years ago. Very few patients become a Norwood class 7 pattern, and even the balding patients who start as a class 5 may not go much further, even at the age of 100 or so. So for example, there’s no “point of no return” that says if you reach class 4 by this certain age, you’re guaranteed to be a class 7 later in life.

Hair Loss InformationI Was Born with a Bald Spot – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I was born with a bald spot on the side of my head. About the age of 14 I noticed that some hair in the middle of the bald spot grew and is long. Now at age 23 it’s still there and some strands of hair if you look closely here and there. What caused this and why did some hair grew back.

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I don’t have a clue without seeing just what you are talking about. I’ve gotten similar questions in the past, and the only thing I could think might’ve been the cause is a birthmark or some kind of trauma. As to why some hair grew in… again, I’d have no clue. Not everything can be explained (and I’m even more limited because this is the Internet and I’ve never seen you).

There are some areas where there are typical inherited patterns and others that are not typical. For those that are typical, we might be able to tell you more about the cause.