My Take on the Propecia Panic – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I’ve been asked what it would mean if 2% of the millions of men taking Propecia had suffered sexual side effects, and some lesser percentage of these men’s side effects are permanent. This has been a hot topic that has been discussed at length, but it’s a topic that I wanted to touch on again.

I must have written prescriptions for this drug to thousands of patients and although I have seen reports of decreases in libido and ED in about 2% of patients (as expected), I have not seen one case where these side effects did not go away upon stopping the drug. A larger audience of others like myself were unofficially polled and their experiences echo mine. It is not that I doubt that these problems can persist after stopping the drug, but it seems very rare indeed.

As I’ve mentioned before on this site, one of my son’s is taking Propecia. When he compared the risks to the reward, he concluded that the benefits far outweighed the limited risk. He tells me that he’s experienced no side effects and has been on Propecia for almost 8 years or so.

Clearly, each patient must make his own decision on this matter and my position is to inform my patients of the general risk… but this risk is very, very small. Before I’m asked again, I own no stock in Merck, I am not a paid consultant for Merck, and if I was rapidly losing hair, I’d take this drug to thwart the problem.

Hair Loss InformationWhy Hasn’t There Been a Real Scientific Study of the Men with Propecia Side Effects? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Dr R
Perhaps a rhetorical question but…..
amid all the blog postings, magazine articles, support groups, “chest pounding”, editorials etc – why has there not been a well-controlled, scientific study that has prospectively followed a group (perhaps 200-300) of men who begin Propecia for a period of several years? This type of study can then quantify the incidence of persistent sexual dysfunction (that is said to be common), use nocturnal penile tumescence to document further; understand any baseline factors that can possible predict who is more likely to have such an effect, and explore/evaluate all the differential diagnoses that predispose to erectile dysfunction or libido problems (psychological including social issues and life stresses; concomitant medications; coexisting medical conditions such as diabetes, hypertension, lipid disorders; endocrine abnormalities including testosterone/prolactin levels; cigarette smoking; chronic alcohol use; vascular problems, etc) as well as influence of different therapeutic options.

Such a study, which could be done outside of the influence of a pharmaceutical company, seems to be able to be done by any leading urology academic center that sees large number of men placed on Propecia, and would be relatively inexpensive and noninvasive. At present, the field seems to be highly dependent upon retrospective questionnaires in men who have these effects, and an absence of extensive data.

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I completely agree. We need to have a statistically valid audience for a good prospective summary. Unfortunately, that type of study will take years to obtain and someone has to pay for it.

I’m Thinking About Trying Propecia and Avodart for a Year to See If It Works for Me – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Hi Dr. Rassman and Dr. Pak.
I had a question I recently read a question on your forum about a guy that was taking propecia/finasteride everyday and also dutasteride/avodart once a week with great results. So I was thinking of trying this regimen of propecia and avodart for a least a year to see if I works for me? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.

Oh and thanks for all your hard work as doctors and also for keeping this forum going strong. And also to thank you (Dr. Rassman) and Dr. Pak who has done my two procedures the most recent one being around February 2012.

And finally to all your staff which are some of the nicest people you’ll ever meet!!

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First, thanks for your kind words! They really mean a lot to us.

The combination of finasteride and dutasteride statistically will produce more sexual side effects. That is the reason we generally do not prescribe it. We can discuss this face to face on your next visit.

I Ordered Generic Propecia Online and Received Proscalpin – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I ordered generic propecia online and got a product called proscalpin… ever hear of it or know if people have achieved good results?

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I’ve never heard of Proscalpin, but there are a variety of names the generic 1mg finasteride is sold under, mostly by pharmaceutical companies based out of India. I’m not familiar with all of the brand names, but I’ve heard of or have been asked about many (Appecia, Finpecia, Finax, Finara). The drug patent hasn’t expired yet and these generic 1mg pills aren’t legally available for sale in the US.

Based on what I found online, Proscalpin is made by an Indian company called Dadha Pharma that sells generic medications primarily for the online market. There doesn’t appear to be too much info on Dadha available online that I can find, and I’m at a loss to even find a website for the company.

So long story short, I’ve never heard of this particular brand and I have no way to know if what you’re getting is really 1mg finasteride. I don’t recommend buying prescription drugs from online pharmacies that aren’t legally allowed to sell them in the US.

Should Non-Responders to Propecia Just Stop Taking It? – Balding Blog

Is it best for nonresponders to simply quit taking fin/propecia to have thicker hair? I’ve been taking it for about two years and continued to loose ground, but only severe thinning at the temples.

Since it is known that fin/propecia hurts the hairline, would it at least shed less after quitting the drug?

It is known that Propecia hurts the hairline? Some people have asked (through this blog) about shedding upon starting the drug, but this isn’t a typical occurrence and doesn’t seem to be limited to just the hairline.

You are asking me to give you advice on whether or not to take a prescription drug — something that I do not do. There may be answers to your situation (such as taking dutasteride), but I would insist on a bulk metric measurement before you were put on other medications to get some objectivity in analyzing the results. You might also consider having a HairDX Genetic Test for Finasteride Response done. Talk to your prescribing doctor.




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I Have Excellent Results from Propecia, But I Have Lumps on My Chest – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I have been taking propecia for roughly 10 years. Excellent results, stopped hair loss with slight regrowth. no sexual side effects, if anything my libido was increased. when I started taking propecia I had multiple lipomas on my body. about 5 years ago I went back to my prescribing physician regarding lumps i noticed in my left breast. I had mammography completed but nothing showed up. but the lumps are palpable. regardless the dr concluded they were benign. no significant changes since.

should I be concerned given the new warnings about propecias side effects?

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If you had multiple lipomas (benign tumor) on your body before the medication, it’s quite possible that the Propecia is unrelated to more lipomas in your chest. It sounds like your doctor did the right assessment. Keep to his advice.

I’m not sure what new warnings you’re referring to, but I wouldn’t be concerned. Always talk to your doctor if you notice any changes in these lumps.

My Soon-to-be-Pregnant Wife Stored Ibuprofen and Finasteride Together – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

While on vacation my wife handled ibuprofin tablets that I stored in the same bottle as my daily 1mg dose of finasteride via a broken tablet. She is not pregnant but we will be trying in a few months. Is there any danger to her or to the development of a male fetus? Thank you.

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I doubt that it will cause any danger if she’s not pregnant, but she should not use the ibuprofen that was stored with the finasteride tablets. Open a new bottle.

Guest Post – Analyzing the Recent Finasteride / Persistent Side Effect Study – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Note: This post comes from one of our favorite readers (he has requested to remain anonymous), who has contributed posts in the past about FDA and clinical trial issues. Some of his previous contributions are here, here, here, and here.

He has broken down the latest finasteride side effect study for our readers and explains why interpreting the data is problematic:

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    This month an article appeared in a medical journal (Irwig MS. Journal of Sexual Medicine, 2012 Epub ahead of print) that relates to persistent sexual side effects of finasteride and has generated discussion in your blog from both posters and commenters. An abstract of the paper can be found at: Persistent Sexual Side Effects of Finasteride: Could They Be Permanent?

    I am a physician scientist (MD-PhD) who spent over 20 years conducting clinical trials and interpreting clinical data. Because I believe this is an important issue, I wish to summarize this study (and discuss its strengths and limitations) for your readers. Two biases that I am disclosing: (1) I believe that persistent sexual side effects of finasteride exist, and (2) I also believe that well-done published scientific investigations on this phenomenon are lacking and readers (most who are unfamiliar with scientific investigations) historically come to form impressions from magazine and newspaper articles, lawyer-run web sites, and blogs… none of which are ideal to better define and understand this phenomenon.

    Method:
    Fifty-four men were recruited. Most men (undefined number) were recruited from an internet site that focuses on sexual side effects from Propecia. Other men (number undefined) were recruited from the author’s clinical practice. To participate in the study, all men were required to have had their finasteride use before age 40 and (by their self-report) and have no history of sexual dysfunction, medication use (other than antibiotics), or significant medical or psychiatric conditions at the time that they began taking finasteride. Initial information for the study was collected by telephone or Skype. Info on sexual dysfunction, medication use, significant medical or psychiatric conditions, etc before and after finasteride use was collected. Follow-up emails were sent to the participants 9-16 months after initial interview (average 14 months). Multiple valid questionnaire scales of sexual dysfunction were used.

    Results:
    The average age of the men at time of initial interviews was 31 years, and the average age when finasteride was begun was 26 years. Average duration of finasteride use was 23 months. Most of the subjects lived outside of the United States. At the time of the interviews, duration of persistent side effect ranged from 3-6 months (7% of subjects), 7-11 months (9%), 1-2 years (44%), 3-5 years (19%), and 6 or more years (20% of subjects). Most men had sexual dysfunction scale scores that showed significant greater dysfunction following initiation of finasteride.

    My impressions:
    This study confirms prior reports of persistent sexual dysfunction in men using finasteride. The study also has significant methodological limitations. These limitations do not invalidate the phenomenon, but make interpretation challenging: men (mostly from outside the US) were recruited by an internet site to self-report historical (and some prospective) data. While the author notes that some patients are recruited from his own practice, he does not report (or perhaps have access to) medical records for most of the recruited men and no information is available on their medical work-up. Thus, the reader is left wondering what sort of evaluation for differential diagnosis (and what medical evaluations) these men received.

    The author doesn’t describe the countries that these men are from (which can affect their level of medical evaluation). This is not the author’s fault; this is a single author, single site, questionnaire/telephone/email study relying on the subject’s self-report and not presented as otherwise. The author should be commended for doing this study. As the author notes (page 5) “an important limitation to this study is selection bias, in that the most affected by finasteride are more likely to participate in a study such as this one.” I would also add that bias exists in that a study relying on “self-report” in the absence of medical records introduces potential error.

    Finally, a prospective study in larger numbers of men would be able to better define the incidence of such events, obtain detailed medical evaluations that can rule out other causes of the dysfunction (psychologic, hormonal, vascular, etc), and perhaps identify factors at initiation of drug use that increase the probability of getting these effects. I am hopeful that such studies – considerably more expensive and involved – be conducted. I am also hopeful that the “pro-Propecia permanent sexual dysfunction” group understands that anecdotes and surveys pale in comparison to more robust and well done scientific investigations, which should be conducted, appear in top journals, and are ultimately in their best interest.

Hair Loss InformationRogaine Made My Hairline Much Thinner Within Weeks – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Doctor,

Mid 40’s diffuse thinning. Not bad. Gave Rogaine a try and within weeks was much thinner. It says doesn’t work at the hairline, but the hairline went from fairly full to very thin. If it doesn’t work at the hairline why would it shed hairs there? If it shed hairs at the hairline does that mean it will grow them back? Otherwise why continue to use it?

Thanks

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Your experience is unusual. Shedding reports with Rogaine do not explain your findings. I don’t have all the answers, and this is certainly such a case. There is a suggestion that for some users, Rogaine accelerates the anagen stage in the hair loss cycle, which means that it first has to go through telogen (hair loss phase). I would think it would regrow there, but I can’t confirm with any sort of guarantee.

Remember, hair grows at a rate of 1/2 inch per month, so in a month all the benefit you can get will impact only the lowest 1/2 inch of hair. This usually gets better in a couple of months, so do not get discouraged. Speak with your doctor and ask him/her to measure your hair bulk to get a baseline measurement to compare to after 3 months.

Side Effects from Finasteride in Just 4 Days and the Media Has Me Worried – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I started taking 1.25 mg of proscar everyday for hair loss and noticed side effects. I took the medicine for four days and experienced nipple sensitivity, erectile dysfunction, and a cold tingling sensation in my penis. I’ve stopped taking the drug and am very concerned because of recent news reports of permanent side effects. Could taking such a small amount really cause permanent problems? Or am I too paranoid and do you think the side effects will resolve in the next couple weeks. It’s been 4 days since I quit proscar.

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I think you’re probably being paranoid, but talk to your prescribing doctor about changing the dosage or stopping the medication completely.

In your case, I would worry about the power of suggestion being responsible for these side effects more so than the medication, but if you are concerned you can make the decision not to take it.