Auditing a Hair Transplant? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Hey Doc,
I had an FUE procedure last week of 2400 grafts. The procedure lasted 9 hours (10 if you include lunch, etc.).

My question is as follows: How can one verify that the doctor (a well respected FUE doctor)actually gave you the number of grafts that you paid for? The work seems fine, but it just doesn’t seem like there are 2400 scabs on my head representing the number of grafts, and im now skeptical that i really got that amount. I do not have much of a way to verify my hunch as its too difficult to count.

I know the obvious answer is to pick an honest surgeon. But beyond that — any thoughts, tricks or advice for those of us whose eyeballs seem to underestimate the number of grafts on our heads? Is it tpically more or less than it looks like to the human eye?

Thanks!

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Magnifying glassIf you feel the need to verify that you got what you paid for or what the doctor represented to you in regard to the follicular unit extraction (FUE) transplant, then you can get a second opinion. I have done that on a number of patients, but if the transplant was more than a week old, my accuracy in counting them is compromised. What I do is count the wounds (holes) on the back of your head.

If you had 2400 grafts, then you should have 2400 holes reflecting the FUE extraction sites. If the doctor charged by the number of follicular units, sometimes a single FUE site can have more than one unit if the doctor used a large punch or if your density is very high. Or maybe less than 2400 were taken, but the grafts were split (see here for more on that). I am not saying this is what happened, but I am giving you a skeptic’s point of view, reflecting your uncertainty.

Finally, if you trust the doctor ask for your surgical records and count sheets, which may show the doctor’s actual numbers (where the technicians keep track of all the “successful” FUE grafts pulled out and all the “unsuccessful” FUE grafts pulled out). This is what we do on every FUE case.

Does FUE Mean Less Total Donor Hair Available? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

This analogy on the subject of FUE really hit home:

…Your donor is like a grid of marbles. FUT is basically a line through the middle (strip) which is closed up leaving the grid uniform and balanced but when using FUE, you are removing marbles at random from all over. It is much harder to keep the grid “balanced” with FUE…

So Doctor…..when a patient elects the FUE procedure to restore their hair, is there considerably less total donor hair available?

I have heard only half as much as with FUT. Say it ain’t so!

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“It ain’t so!”

I suppose your donor area can look patchy with little white dot scars if you have 3000+ FUE grafts extracted. This occurs when your original density was average or less than average. People with high density hair often will not show the white scars (dots) at all. Even with 1000 FUE grafts, you will notice these patchy white dot scars if you shaved your scalp, but in general, even with 3000+ FUE grafts, the scars and the less hair volume will be hard to notice (depending how close you cut your hair).

Remember — not all FUE or FUT (strip surgery) is the same, and not all patients are the same with healing. I have seen awful FUE scars and great FUT scars and vice-versa. Each and every patient needs to talk with their doctor and understand the unique advantages and disadvantages along with the risks and benefits of the surgery. This may sound like generic advice, but many patients who seek out FUE choose to go ahead with a FUT procedure after understanding the limitations of FUE and FUT.

With regard to your main question about which procedure will get you more hair (strip vs FUE), I think that the answer is probably strip surgery. Many doctors now doing FUE surgery actually get the hair outside of the fringe area, which means that the hair is not permanent. Some doctors (who think about $$$ above all else) will push the FUE harvest area to meet the projections given. The donor area has about 20,000 hairs in it and if an FUE procedure harvested 1/3rd of the available supply (assuming average density of the hair in a Caucasian male), that would be about 6,500 hairs or 3,200 grafts on average. All of the higher number we are reading about reflects, most probably, non-donor (non-permanent) hair.

Transplanting Nape Hair at the Hairline to Soften the Look – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

A prominent HT doctor recommends using transplanted nape hair at the hair line to soften the look of the hair transplant and make it look more natural. This seems to make sense as often hair transplants look like the hair strands are too thick where transplanted and not natural. You mentioned that nape hair is not permament. Does this mean it might fall out over time and even if it does is it still worth it for the cosmetic effect in creating a more natural hairline?

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I recently saw a patient in my office who asked me this same question and asked about the doctor. In case you are the same person, my answer was as you correctly state — nape of the neck hairs are not permanent. Some patients actually come to have hair transplants to the nape of the neck, as they are completely bald from below the ear level.

Thus, your nape of the neck hairs that are transplanted elsewhere may fall out over time and it is not worth the surgery. More importantly, even with the FUE technique there will be scarring that may show at the neck with white pale dots if the nape hair falls out over time. If you are considering this type of surgery I would ask that doctor if you can meet with a patient who has had it done to see what it looks like. When the donor area is from the nape of the neck with strip surgery, most of the time the scars are prominent and wide. Scars like these are not amenable to repairs and even with FUEs placed into them, they can not really look normal.

If you want a softer hairline, regular donor hair should be sufficient if done right with single follicles that are finer and grow naturally that way. If the staff and the doctor are good, they will pick out the smaller caliber single follicles for the very front.

Hair Loss InformationCould My Scalp Reductions Be Preventing Transplanted Hair From Growing? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I’ve previously had scalp reductions and a flap hairline performed in the early 1990’s.

I recently in Feb 2010 had a 2000 hair (not graft) procedure performed by the same doctor who was responsible for the scalp reductions and flap hairline in the 90’s to address the lack of hair behind the flap which looked strange. It is now 12 months since the procedure and it appears only half of my hair in the triangular area behind the flap has grown, it is very patchy and is more scalp than hair. Could the fact that the previous scarring from the scalp reduction and flap hairline be causing this skin zone to not grow transplanted hair properly?

The funny thing is that several of the hairs transplanted into the actual scars have grown quite well and show thick well developed hair shafts. But as mentioned before the triangular shape of bald scalp behind the flap is completely surrounded (an island of forelock scalp) by scarring from the old surgery. Could this zone be of limited blood supply due to these scars or does the scalp still get enough blood supply anyway? Also could 12 months be too soon for me? The island of scalp behind the flap hairline has sensation although somewhat reduced sensation but the skin goes white than straight back to pink when pressed. I have compared my post op photos with my current photos and it appears that only half of the hair has grown. I can email a couple of photos if you wish, I have not been back to the doctor since my 1 week post op check up (for personal reasons). it was about 1000 grafts I think. I will get back to him when I feel ok about it, thanks

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Prior scalp reductions are not a reason why a hair transplant surgery would not work. Many patients that had scalp reductions in the 1980s and early 90s followed them up with hair transplantation with relative success (growth was fine, but they were the pluggy look from back then).

I think the best thing for you is to follow up with your doctor when you are ready. Maybe you took pre-operative photos, but your doctor should have one (or more) as well and it may be useful to compare what you have now and what you had then. There are many factors that can be the cause of a hair transplant failure and that is why you need to see your doctor for a better understanding.

Hair Loss InformationTreating Norwood “A” Patterns – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Hi Dr Rassman,
my question is the following : How often do you see people with Norwood “A”-pattern hair loss that reach Norwood 7 (or 6) AND how difficult is a 5a pattern to treat with transplants (can they get full coverage). Seeing that you now offer SMP. Because I’m a Norwood 5a patient who recently had a FUE hair transplant with Dr. Pak in your Los Angeles office it’s was about 1,200 grafts and I have to tell you it was the best decision that I’ve could’ve made!! I’m thinking of having another FUE procedure, so I was thinking of having the FUE & SMP done together to get more density.

I would really appreciated if you could let me know what you think about my question.

Thanks for everything you do and keeping us informed. Oh and 1 million thanks for a great job and keeping up the great work!!!

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I am pleased that you are pleased with Dr. Pak’s work!

NW5aThe Class 5A pattern does not evolve into a Class 6 or 7 pattern. The original chart by Dr. O’Tar Norwood showed that the patterns defined in the diagrams are the end stage, particularly the “A” series. I like to work on the “A” pattern patients, because there is usually enough hair to give them whatever they want (that is, unless their original density is very low).

Scalp micro-pigmentation (SMP) with follicular unit extraction (FUE) is a great combination treatment where you can achieve the dense look with SMP and a natural real hair line in the front with the FUE.

Hair Loss InformationCan I Take Finasteride While Wearing a Hair Piece? – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Hi Doc,

i’ve been wearing a hair piece for the last year, im 22 and had a frontal hair transplant when i was 20. hair piece is my option because i dont think i will ever cover my scalp with a transplant.

however i would like to know if i can take Proscar while wearing a hair piece? i mean would i achieve the same results as other person not wearing it? and if i opt for a transplant and start from my crown, can i do it and wearing the wig for about 6 months till results are visible?

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When you say Proscar, I hope you mean Propecia or are going to cut the Proscar into 4 pieces. Proscar (prostate medication) is 5x the dose of Propecia (hair loss medication). A wig/hairpiece/toupee won’t effect the benefits of Propecia (finasteride 1mg), but depending on how you attach the hair piece to the scalp, it may produce more hair loss from traction (from the glue, clips, etc). I’m not sure how you’re attaching your hairpiece.

You had a transplant to the hairline at 20 years old and are wearing a hairpiece elsewhere? I’m a little confused. You need a Master Plan with a good doctor to take a look at what you are doing to yourself. As most hair systems produce hair loss from irritation, pulling with clips, or traction, you may end up where you do not want to be — bald. A good doctor will review what you did to yourself, assess the amount of damage you have caused and determine what should be done to address your hair loss problems.

Reader Defends the Use of Techs Doing NeoGraft Surgeries – Balding Blog

This is in response to a post from earlier this week about technicians performing most or all of FUE procedures with a NeoGraft tool:

Specialty Techs are in nearly every aspect of medicine and they all are equally skilled in their own field. Phlebotomy, radiology and even hair transplant techs to name a few, all have to maintain a high level of skill and responsibility as they are dealing with the health and well being of a patient. The question is, who would you rather have working on you? A doctor with an MD behind his/her name who just took a weekend course in some new procedure or a highly skilled tech with 5 or 10 years of experience doing the same thing, day in and day out with a high level of pride and commitment.

With regard to the techs who operate NeoGraft…how is what they do any different than when they are handling, dissecting and transplanting human tissue from a strip method? If anything, NeoGraft is a “tool” which in “experienced hands” has the ability to offer fewer complications, lower rate of transaction, faster recovery times and an overall better procedural outcomes.

I would encourage those who throw around the term “surgery” when speaking about NeoGraft to exercise a little common sense because handling, dissecting and transplanting strip tissue should be considered “surgery” as well if you really think about it.

Personal Note: I have seen the techs that use the NeoGraft systems with my own eyes and every time I am extremely impressed with the level of skill, dedication and pride these individuals posses.

FUE performed by non-physicians is a grey area and illegal in most states. Legally, a procedure where there is a cut on the skin requires an MD to do it. There are cases where a registered nurse or a PA (Physician’s Assistant) can perform certain tasks, but it has to be supervised by the physician. A surgical tech performing FUE is a dark grey area.

One more thing…I’m not sure where you get your information but it is completely inaccurate and misleading. Please provide everyone with just ONE state that mandates what you claim along with the link to the official state website where the rule is listed. Otherwise, please stop making things up.

NeograftThank you for your comments.

To put it simply, no matter how minor of a surgery (suturing a cut on the skin, making a cut on the skin, or even just giving a prescription pill or IV to a person) it requires some form of license issued by the state where the act is performed. You may not have to be a surgeon, but you have to have had some medical training and hold a license (nursing license, PA license, etc). A normal person off the street, no matter how talented, cannot perform FUE even if they are trained or are better than the surgeon at doing it.

The focus here should be the protection of the public. When the person who is doing the surgery has a license to do it, that means that they were officially trained and certified to do surgery in the state. I know that there are many, many doctors who perform hair transplant surgery and do not have a clue on what they are doing. Many of these doctors use technicians to perform almost every step in the surgical process (in their medical offices) and it would be clear that the technicians are more competent than the doctors they work for. But this is not an argument for allowing non-licensed people to perform surgery, but rather that we need some protection for the public when a doctor is not competent in delivering a surgical service, not in allowing non-licensed people to perform surgery. Unfortunately, an MD in almost every state in the United States can do any surgery he wishes (brain, heart, hair, etc..) and will only be held accountable when someone experiences irrevocable harm or death. It is insane that the only protection for the public against these doctors is our criminal system after the damage is done. One can look at the cardiologist who administered Propofol to Michael Jackson, who is being held accountable by the criminal justice system for manslaughter.

I have found two interesting situations where non-physicians have performed surgery (one good and one bad).

  • Example 1: The incredible story of African American lab tech that wasn’t formally educated beyond high school, but became a pioneer in heart surgery and actually operated on white Americans in the 1940s: Vivien Thomas
  • Example 2: Title of the post is self-explanatory: Non-Doctors Doing Hair Transplants?

Now to the issue where you insist that I’m making things up, here’s the Medical Board of California’s Business and Professions code #2051: “The physician’s and surgeon’s certificate authorizes the holder to use drugs or devices in or upon human beings and to sever or penetrate the tissues of human beings and to use any and all other methods in the treatment of diseases, injuries, deformities, and other physical and mental conditions.” Emphasis mine. That’s just one of many examples that I found, but that should be satisfactory.

So to cut into your scalp, no matter how minor and safe it seems, the issues are one of license (legitimacy) and competence. Both, in my opinion, need to be considered as you make the decisions on who is going to do your hair transplant. I am sure that the NeoGraft system works in the hands of competent operators and that most doctors who now do surgery (with or without that tool) are probably less competent when compared to the standard of care that we perform in our office on a daily basis. I know that this is true, because I see the results of less-than-competent hair transplant surgery on a near daily basis as patients come to see me for repair advice, to address the failures of their surgery or the next step in their hair restoration process that was started elsewhere.




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Timing of Growth After Multiple Hair Transplants – Balding Blog

Bad timing? Bad Physiology?
Hi Doc,

I am almost 10 months into my second Hair Transplant. It is taking a long time to see any results – I have hardly any new hairs yet. I’m not going to stress out though, not unless I still have no grafts at 12 months.

My question is whether or not you have come across any cases where a patient has had more then one transplant, where the first transplant took a long time to show results, and where the second transplant that was quicker to produce results. If so what could cause that, could hair cycle at time of transplant play a role?

I sometimes wonder if there is something about me that means HT isn’t a good option.

Generally, the delay time between the actual hair transplant and the growth is 4-7 months. I always tell the patient to wait until 8 months or so when fully 80-90% of the hair has grown, mostly to a length of at least 2 inches by the eight month. If you have had no growth in 10 months, I would start to worry, but waiting out another 2 months is reasonable.

I don’t know that any studies have been done on this, but just based on observation over the years, there is little difference between growth time of the first and the second transplant in most patients.




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Shower After a Hair Transplant? – Balding Blog

I recently had a hair transplant and i was curious how long i should wait before going back to my usual routine of showering every other day? My main concern is folliculitis or infection.

ShowerYou should really ask your doctor about the washing issue and what he/she recommends you do following your surgery. Your surgeon should’ve provided you with aftercare instructions. For my patients, I recommend gentle showers and hair washing the very next day after a hair transplant.

I just saw a man from overseas who told me that by the 5th day after his surgery he could not see any scabbing, nor could he see the graft recipient sites (he had hair present from a previous transplant and the new procedure just filled in between the grafts). If it is washed well by the staff the day after the transplant, then the scabbing can be minimized.




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My Shock Loss Was So Bad, My Hair Looks Thinner 8 Months After the Transplant! – Balding Blog

Hi Doc

i had previously done a minor HT of 500 grafts onto the thinning mid scalp. Shock loss was bad and now at 8 months post HT, my hair looked thinner than before.

my question is is it advisable to plant the hair grafts onto the thinning mid scalp or is it more advisable to plant only onto the bald area and leave my thinning mid scalp until more serious before i start to tackle them.

I would have hoped that you were on finasteride prior to getting a hair transplant, as this drug minimizes the shock loss some young men experience. Were you warned ahead of time about the possibility of shock loss?

Everyone is different and you certainly have a unique problem, though I don’t know much about your case (age, hair loss pattern, hair character, etc). I would have to see you, or at least you should email some good photos that show your scalp, and we might be able to setup a phone consultation.




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