Throbbing Pain Weeks After Hair Transplant! – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Hello,

I’m a 30 year old male who had my first hair transplant when I was 26. I flew to Thailand and had a 2000 graft strip excision procedure done. The first week was hell but the transplant turned out to be good, but in need of obvious density. I decided to return 4 years later and get another procedure. I was thinking of going to another doctor but the last time he provided great service even though I suspected the 2000 grafts could have looked better.

Fast forward to now, I thought I needed between 1000-1500 and he immediately said 2000. I didn’t think about until after the procedure that this is too much. After the 2nd procedure which I am currently 15 days after the healing process is not going as well as the first time. I will run down the issues and you can tell me if I’m royally screwed or not.

  1. My whole scalp is super tight. I can feel a constant tension ring from ear to ear and even my temples. When I lift my eyebrows all the way up I can even feel it. The most disturbing thing is every time I walk slowly up a flight of stairs I get a throbbing headache/pain which feels as if I’m going to pass out.
  2. The scar (trychophyic closure) is not healing. On the right side there is a indentation with a huge scab (I think that gauze stuff?) which is surrounded by inflammation.
  3. I have this dull ache in my throat when I swallow. It has never happened ever before and started after this procedure.

My questions are:

  1. Will this throbbing pain while walking up stairs go away?
  2. Is the dent and bump in my head going to heal? Is it swelling and or skin just pulled together from the wrong angle?
  3. Is there anything I can do to help the wound heal?

I’ve been using propecia for 4 years now, and just started 5 sprays of minoxidil on recipient area. Please help this is extremely disconcerting because I’m a triathlete who routinely has 3 hour workouts in the gym, and I fear I will never be able to compete again. I would try to talk to the doc thailand but his English isn’t very good and kind of sent me packing without letting me know if I have a normal future. Thanks for reading, I will also try to send pictures although it may be a few weeks (moving, camera packed, etc.)

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From what you described, there are clearly problems. Over time things should get better, but you should get an assessment for baseline purposes to plot progress or lack of progress (objectively) over time. It would be best that you be seen by me if you want a better assessment. The exam will be free, but I’m in Los Angeles, so you’ll likely need to do some more traveling. Drugs like minoxidil and Propecia will help prevent further hair loss, but not reverse what has already occurred.

Without knowing more I’m just able to give general info, but here’s a try at your questions:

  1. Pain from damaged nerves may or may not get better depending upon whether or not the nerve was cut.
  2. Dents in wounds, may or may not get better as more healing goes on.
  3. Generally, there is nothing to do to help wound healing. Some readers will likely argue that, so please feel free to leave comments with your wound-healing advice.

Best Post-Op Shampoo? – Hair Loss Information by Dr. William Rassman

Are there any post op shampoo’s and/or conditioners better than others? I am currently using Nizoral, but I thought I read somewhere it has not shown to be productive in maintaining hair loss? I have had two follicle transplants and it seems the hair that was in place has thinned even more. I am hoping once the new hair gets into place it will appear much fuller than the previous transplant.

Also, I have heard that some anti-inflammatory organic products with Tea Tree oil and Rosemary can be beneficial. Is that true?

Topicals in shampoos, including tea tree oil and rosemary, will not impact the rate of hair loss. After our surgeries, we use Progaine and supply one bottle of it to the patient. You can find it for sale online at Amazon.

Update: Sorry, I had a brain fart. We use GraftCyte and provide that to patients.

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Transplanting Conservative Hairlines – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

On the NHI patient photos site, patient DTA has had a significantly improved hairline from his previous norwood 3 hairline. I was under the impression (from reading this blog) that your clinic took a more conservative approach to hairlines than other clinics but from the results it appears the hairline was significantly improved.

Could you please inform me on what type of method was used (FUE, strip or both), how many sessions such a hairline took to complete and how many grafts?

Thanks

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This patient had 4 procedures totaling 7390 grafts, all using the strip technique. The lack of graft and procedure count was an error on the NHI site that has since been corrected. He started getting transplanted before the FUE technique was available. Many times the patient just wants more fullness, so the graft count goes up.

As for the conservative hairlines, we create hairlines for men that frame the face and look masculine, like the patient above. I don’t understand why some doctors will transplant a straight line of hair for a 40 year old man (for example), when that type of hairline is usually seen only in children and women. See also: If I Get Transplants, I Want a Perfectly Straight Hairline.

I Want More Density — Should I Get FUE or FUT? – Hair Loss Information by Dr. William Rassman

FUE VS FUT…

I am 28 year old male, i am planning for hair plantation never had it before and very confused to what method should i pick…strip or fue…i want denser and more hairs ofcourse..my donor area is pretty dense and good..

Please suggest

Either technique (FUT or FUE) can produce the density you may need. The choice of harvesting should include:

  1. The doctor and his/her skills
  2. The quantity of grafts needed
  3. The costs (usually FUE is more expensive that FUT)

Either technique can produce great densities and hundreds of these can be seen on our website here.

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Should I Avoid Surgeons That Use a Multi-Blade Scalpel? – Hair Loss Information by Dr. William Rassman

Why do so many “consumer advocates” on the forums and other so-called “experts” advise when choosing a hair transplant surgeon to avoid one who uses a multi-blade scalpel?

Everyone says a surgeon will obtain better results when using a single-blade scalpel and that all the better surgeons use them. I found this not to be true, because I know at least a few “world class” hair transplant surgeons who prefer the multi-blade knives.

Does it really matter? What do you use and what are the pro and cons, if any, to the use of each tool?

When a strip is cut out, there is a cut on the upper edge of the strip and on the lower edge of the strip, so one or two blades will accomplish the same thing provided that the double blade knife is designed to cut along the angle of the hairs. When additional blades are used (8 blades for example) there is more damage created, because the inner blades are blind cut and the surgeons has no control of them. I generally estimate that the upper and lower cut lose about 2% of the total hairs in the strip, so if you use 8 blades, then 16% loss could occur from the blind cutting.

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Swimming in the Sea After a Hair Transplant – Hair Loss Information by Dr. William Rassman

Hi Doctor,
Does swimming in the sea(since summer is hot here) can affect the 7 months transplants? Thank you

You can go into the sea anytime after 3 weeks safely (possibly earlier). I tend to play everything on the conservative side.

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Hair Transplant Industry Profits – Hair Loss Information by Dr. William Rassman

Dear Dr Rassman,

thanks for creating such an informative website. I was wondering, how profitable is the hair transplant industry? What is the difference between the actual cost of the hair transplant and the price surgeons charge (i know price varies from surgeon to surgeon but an approximate would be useful).

thanks

The hair replacement industry is a multi-billion dollar industry. The difference in results between medical groups is highly variable because the surgery is NOT standardized. As such, the consumers (patients) are mostly left with the burden of researching through a massive number of ads and advertorials on late night TV, though these days there are many web forums that allow consumer input. The difference in cost is highly variable. I have seen and heard of surgeries that range from $1000 to $100,000!!! A few months ago I saw a patient who came to me for a second opinion after spending $152,000 on a hair transplant surgery and was angry that he did not get good results.

On the average, I believe the cost of the surgery as we do it at New Hair Institute should be between $3,000 to $15,000 depending on the number of hair grafts a patient needs. The cosmetic industry has hit hard times lately, so gross revenues are down, bringing down profits to marginal levels. When the surgeon uses experienced teams, the cost of labor is high (our practice) as we pay good wages and expect long term people to stay with us.

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Specialized Case — Are My Goals for FUE Realistic? – Hair Loss Information by Dr. William Rassman

Hello doctor Rassman. I know you have answered similar questions like this one before however I would still appreciate some information. I was thinking about getting a hair transplant about two years ago so I went to Bosely but decided not to go through with it on account of the sales people and how I did not believe they cared about my best interest. I have done a lot of research on the many different surgeons and techniques available in the field of hair transplantation. I have come to the conclusion that if in fact I was to opt for a hair transplant, follicular unit extraction will be my best option and only if performed by a highly qualified surgeon such as yourself and a few other qualified surgeons (all members of ishrs). I am currently a norwood 6 receding hairline, loss in crown, and diffuse thinning (typical mpb)and more than likely will advance to a norwood 7 as I age. I have been shaving/buzzing my hair for the last two years and am ok with it. I have begun shaving it recently due to more loss in the frontal region.

I have real specific goals for my hair loss and am a little unsure whether or not my goals are realistic. I wish to add hair along my receded hairline (not lower it) so that it may be more defined but still mature, and go back to buzzing my hair to a #2 or #1. Eventually I know my hair loss will progress so I still wish to have the option of shaving my head but still have a vague hairline. Basically what I want is to have a noticeable hairline buzzed and/or shaved. My main concerns of course are future hair loss and scarring. As long as it looks natural as I age and cannot be detected, I am fine even with limited coverage. I understand that fue is not completely scarless however since I am looking for coverage rather than density, my hope is that less grafts can be used sparsely to create a sort of illusion of stubble on the front and frontal mid portions of the scalp without risking over scarring. I hate to throw this in there but I heard that one may to minimize scarring is to add body hair to the donor area at the same time the grafts are dissected. Although it yields a lesser success rate than that of head hair, it may be a good idea in this particular situation as a filler as I am all for more coverage if possible.

I realize that the only true way to answer this question will be to examine me and do the fox test to see if this can even be accomplished, but lets say hypothetically that I am a good candidate for fue. Can this be accomplished? I would definitely prefer some hair on the top of my head than none even if shaved. Thank you for your time Dr. Rassman. I will be sending this message to two other ishrs surgeon members for their opinions.

P.S.-If you need some pictures to get an idea of where I am ,that is my hair loss, feel free to ask. I will be taken some soon.

It’s really hard to tell if what you’re asking for is even possible for you. So yes, please send extensive pictures (and reference this post). If you have adequate density and are becoming a Norwood Class 7, you will need a careful analysis of the various Master Plans with a transplant. This is far too complex to cover here and elements of this have already been discussed by me on other posts. After sending me your photos, arrange a free telephone consultation with me (310-553-9113) and I will then cover as much as I can without seeing you, since I assume you are not near either of my California offices. If you can make it to California, that would even be better for an in-person examination.

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Hair Loss InformationRealistic Hair Transplant Expectations – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Dr RassmanI recently met a prospective patient (Asian male) with a very low hair density who kept his hair very short. He wanted a follicular unit extraction (FUE) procedure and I strongly advised against it as in his particular case, the tiny white punctuate scars he would get from FUE might become detectable. His skin was a dark olive color. He did consult with another doctor by phone who told him after seeing his photos that he could easily get 4000 FUE grafts in the first session followed by 3000 in a second session and that he would have a reasonably full head of hair.

We then discussed a strip procedure and I told him that in a single session he might get approximately 1500 grafts, yet still another doctor told him that he easily could get 3500 grafts from a strip session. The prospective patient asked me why these other doctors were so enthusiastic about the surgery they recommended and why I was so low with my estimates on the strip procedure. I told him that I was an ordinary, mortal doctor with human limitations and he needs to understand that this is more than a number difference because the doctors may be talking about different things. I always talk about follicular units which is the graft count that I obtain at surgery. In other words, I’m not going to recommend something to this patient that will ultimately not be in his best interest and I am not one who victimizes patients for what they have in their wallet by charging for something that is not a follicular unit.

There is math and economics in these various estimates. For example, this patient’s graft count could be pushed higher if the grafts were divided so that each graft would have less hair. What one doctor calls a graft (1-3 hairs each) another doctor can cut down into grafts that contain less hair each (shifting to mainly 1 hair grafts) and get the illusion that there is more ‘value’ because the number of grafts is higher. If the amount of hair is say 5000 hairs, one can produce grafts ranging from 1500 to 5000 grafts from this hair count. So first, one has to define what the doctor means by a graft, does he cut them down into small units to get higher number of grafts? Economically for the doctor, it is better to cut these follicular units down (in the number of hairs each) because the fee is based upon the number of grafts. So more grafts means more money for the doctor (and higher fees for the patient). What matters is not just the graft count, but the total amount of hair that is removed in the procedure. Then add to that the way it is divided into small hair units (ideally it should be true anatomical follicular units). In the case of a strip procedure, the value would reflect the ‘area’ of excised scalp. Grafts should reflect the normal anatomy of the follicular unit that G-d created, not one that the surgeon invented (a subset of the follicular unit devised to push up his income).

We are not all equal with regard to the amount of hair that can be moved in a single session because the hair density between people can vary significantly (some people have more than twice the hair density of others). Also the looseness of the scalp may mean than in one patient twice as much scalp can be moved than in another patient. Merging these two measurements, when comparing two people, the maximum safe capacity for moving hair can reflect differences of 4-5 fold. I believe what is ethical from a fee point of view, should reflect the amount of work that the surgeon and his team invest in performing in the surgery. That is why, if true follicular units are what is counted, then the ‘apple for apple’ comparison is appropriate in the calculations for value. A patient should demand knowing that he is receiving follicular units, and not a number reflecting a subset of the follicular units for the purpose of pushing up fees.

We spent some time talking about what he could and could not expect. Expectations really reflect the amount and distribution of hair used in the transplant. The issue of value discussed above, should reflect the number of actual ‘true’ follicular units removed. It is wrong for not educating the patient. A doctor who did not take the time to review what he was going to do, how he was basing his graft count, what constitutes a graft and how he determined the charges for each graft is not doing his job. If you know this information, then you have done the proper research and you have a better chance of getting what you are paying for.

For further reading, plenty of similar links to past blog posts can be found here.

Using Staples to Close Strip Surgery – Balding Blog

Dear Dr. Rassman,

In one of your previous posts, you said that a scar from a strip surgery will be at about 80% of healing after 6 weeks. From that logic, I wonder if keeping the staples longer after a strip surgery (for 6-8 weeks, rather than the usual 14 days for instance) would help in getting a better scar…

I know that for practical and cosmetic reasons, keeping the staples longer can be problematic for many people, but in special cases where there is more tightness due to past surgeries (or a history of enlarged strip scar) wouldn’t this be a good solution to help getting a finer scar?

Or, would this in return create other problems such as:

1-skin growth around the staples?
2-Train marks?
3-Shock loss around the scar?

Thanks for your help

Scar formation and wound healing is not that simple. Aside from the technical aspect, everyone heals differently and scars differently. Leaving staples in for about 10 to 14 days is what we generally do. We leave the staples in for up to 21 days in some patients. Sometimes leaving staples in longer will cause the familiar Frankenstein or train track marks (as you state).

In the end there is no universal solution to closing a tight scalp. One solution does not fit all patients and it is up to the physician to address it on his/her individual basis. I know this may not be what you are looking for, but it points to the fact that sometimes there is just no specific answer. Leaving the staples in for 6-8 weeks will cause undo pain in most patients.


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