Hair Loss InformationI Still Don’t Understand the Maturing Hairline – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

You have said in previous posts that in many young men it is normal to develop a “mature hairline.” By this logic a NW 7 seems to me to be simply a hairline that matured to a much greater extent then a mature hairline. Really there is no such thing as MPB by this logic just varying degrees of “mature hairlines” right? I just dont understand how some hair miniaturing through the MPB process we understand is not MPB yet a NW 3 for some reason is when they both occur from same exact processes. Could you explain?

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Medical science is a descriptive science. Dr. O’Tar Norwood observed that men seemed to progress in a known pattern and then some of them stopped progressing. This is what eventually became the Norwood classifications for hair loss. It is what it is and Dr. Norwood was brilliant at observing and then recording his observations.

A Norwood Class 7 hairline (or lack of) is a result of genetic male pattern hair loss. A maturing hairline is what young men go though as they lose their childhood hairline (fuzz around the front corners, etc). The general public would not consider a maturing hairline to be balding.

Difference Between Norwood Class 7 Patients (with Photos) – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

Why is there such a difference between these two previous post’s photographs. They are both, by your report, Class 7 patients.

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Norwood class 7 Thanks for asking this great, insightful question.

The rim of hair in a Class 7 balding pattern contains about 30,000-35,000 hairs. Considering that the normal total hair count of an adult is about 100,000 hairs, the only permanent hair that is never lost in any balding man, is the 3 inch high rim of hair schematically shown on the right (Norwood Class 7 pattern). The art of hair transplantation that I will show you below, reflects the way the surgeon redistributes these 30,000 (or less) hairs so that it looks like more than it is. The surgeon needs all of the help he/she can get from the characteristics of the hair on the patient’s head, including the quantity that can be safely moved.

The texture of the hair in these two patients is very different. The white/grey haired man (let’s call him ZU) has a hair shaft thickness that is easily three times the hair bulk (weight) as the blonde fellow (and for the sake of consistency, we’ll call him BF). The hair of ZU has a good character to it and holds a wave nicely, while BF has hair that lies limp and wimpy. Also, the donor supply of ZU is easily twice as good as BF and has a loose scalp which allows the surgeon to redistribute more hair from the permanent rim of hair around the sides and back. ZU received almost 10,000 grafts with easily 23,000 hairs in these grafts, while BF had only 4500 grafts (about 8,000 hairs). BF’s scalp was tight and his hair density was not as good as ZU. With that understanding, re-read the blog post titled Patient’s Guide — How Many Grafts Will I Need?, and it should be easy to see that we are not all created equal and the surgeon’s hands are ‘tied’ by patient’s hair characteristics (weight, texture, color, quantity) and therefore the hair transplant surgeon is not in control of every variable he/she needs. When putting the patient’s final results side-by-side, ZU has easily 8-9 times the amount of hair bulk (# of hairs and bulk) as BF. What is very important for you, the reader, to recognize here is that even BF is thrilled with his results. The thinly covered crown in BF (both men use a comb-back hair styling technique) is not of a concern for BF, because he looks at the man in the mirror and does not see his hair from behind. ZU also has a comb-back (which I showed in these photos by allowing the hair that is combed back to separate so you can see the scalp) with much better coverage of his crown area. ZU also had a considerable amount of hair transplanted into the crown, making his grooming easier and his crown looking fuller. From BF’s point of view, that man he sees in the mirror has a full head of groomable hair, just like ZU.

It is also important to note that these men started getting hair transplants at different points of their hair loss. ZU was already completely bald when he started getting transplants, where BF was thinning rapidly and on his way to being completely bald (it happened a few years before Propecia became available). So ZU had nothing on his scalp when we began transplanting his head, and BF eventually lost all of his natural hair up top (so what you see in the photos for both men is all transplanted hairs). If you took BF’s hair transplants away, he would look like ZU’s before photo.

This is reality and that is why I appreciated this question when it came in yesterday. People with a Class 7 balding pattern will never have enough hair to replace what was lost (and if any doctor said he/she can give such a person a full head of hair, well, he/she clearly is must be GOD). The key to a good hair transplant is the artistic hand of the surgeon and good styling from the patient, no matter what balding pattern exists.

ZU (before on left, after in middle, after crown on right — more photos here):

 

BF (before on left, after in middle, after crown on right):

 

Realistic Expectations of a Transplanted Hairline – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I am trying to find great hairline work. The pictures on your site can’t get me excited. What can I do to get to a realistic expectation and become comfortable?

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For the readers that are not familiar, the photos that are being referenced are located here — New Hair Institute – Patient Photo Galleries.

You are looking for a perfect hairline. I would love to know what your problems are with the posted photos. If it is that the density is not what it originally was, it is possible that we did not try to get to the original density (most patients require more area to be transplanted so achieving the original density is not in the cards). Some patients have their own mind made up as to what they want and I almost always do what they want, not what I think is best. I am not super selective on the patients I show on the site, for if I were, I would not show so many patients and only show those who had their original densities restored. All of the posted patients were happy with their hairlines and they allowed us to show off their photos (even for those that do not allow their face to show). I try not to pick out just the best of the best — I want to be honest and give a clear idea of what is possible. If the patients were not happy, they wouldn’t sign the photo release to allow us to show off their hair.

The posted photos may give you an idea of how a natural hairline looks after hair transplant, but the pictures lose the impact of the difference in hair textures that people have. There are a subset of patients who I would challenge anyone to detect anything but a natural appearing, non-transplanted hairline (even to the experienced eye), and some of these patients routinely show up at our open house events. They come to challenge even the most discriminating prospective patients who attend. If it is feasible for you, you can attend one of our monthly open house events at our Los Angeles office. This will give you the chance to meet with some of our previous patients and will allow you to examine our results very closely. I strongly suggest you do this, because pictures just don’t tell the whole story. It is not unusual for us to have 10+ patients show up to demonstrate their results in our Los Angeles open house.

If you have any other questions I will be glad to answer them by email or in person. I look forward to meeting you soon.

I Want My Hairline Lowered an Inch – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

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I’m 16 years old born with a high hairline just about 3 inches. I’ve saved about $5,000 to get the procedure to lower my hairline and was wondering about how much would it be to take off half an inch to an inch. i have a widows peak and wonder if you can fix that too. what would be an estimate and could there be any payment plans. i’d love to have this procedure done before i turn 21.

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The fee for a hairline lowering procedure is $8,000 (icludes all anesthesia and facility charges). The hairline lowering procedure is like a reverse brow lift and this is often the way women get a lower hairline. The widow’s peak would have to be assessed separately.

Alternatively, hair transplants could lower the hairline as well. This is, of course, what we do regularly with men and the fees are based upon how much hair is moved (price per graft). I would be happy to review your case confidentially if you send in a picture. Please reference this post if sending.

For more about hairline lowering, see Dr. Kabaker

Hair Loss InformationBlack Woman with High Hairline – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

I am a 20 year old black woman. I have an extended forehead that seems different form what other women have. Most women’s hair line is close to their face whereas mine is so back onto my head. It has never grown since childhood and i have a sister who has the same thing. I am thinking that maybe its hereditary but how can you be of any help to me? Would i be a good candidate for this procedure? and are there any tablets that i could take that might change it or foster the growth of hair there? Please help!!!!!

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Women can have a hairline lowering procedure, which advances the hairline downward. If you are not a keloid former, you might be a good candidate for this. You need to be evaluated. There are no magic pills to fix this.

When Does the Maturing Hairline Stop? – Hair Loss Information by Dr. William Rassman

At what age should the maturing hairline process stop? I’m 33 and I’m getting a bit paranoid about my receding hairline not stopping. I’m at least at the 2nd stage in the Norwood pattern, but have no hairloss on the crown.

A maturing hairline usually stops around late twenties, but that rule is not followed by everyone. If you are concerned about hair loss and its progression, you should have your scalp hair measured for miniaturization and get someone who is an expert to let you know if you are actually balding (see Maturation of a Hairline — Moving From Juvenile to Mature).

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Hairline Lowering Questions – Balding Blog

hi, i’m a female with a high forehead. I want to do a lower forehead surgery. I have some questions about the surgery.

  1. will it be local anesthesia or will i be put into sleep.
  2. how long will it take to look normal after the surgery.
  3. will the scar be obviou during the recovery period?
  4. will people notice that i did a surgery if i go out one week after the surgery?
  5. do you have any recommendation for doctors in toronto area?

Thank you very much for your time.

I will answer your questions as if you mean the hairline lowering procedure through excisional surgery, and not hair transplantation.

  1. This procedure is usually done under local anesthesia with some sedation.
  2. The effects are immediate, although there is swelling for up to a week. There is a scar at the hairline, so if you have bangs you should use them to cover the hairline scar. These scars are usually detectable for a few weeks. A small number of people will develop a white scar at the surgical site which can easily be treated with a limited hair transplant.
  3. Yes, the scar may be obvious while healing, but most patients can cover it pretty well with their existing hair.
  4. It depends on your art of styling that you use to cover the incision area and the lower hairline. As I said above, the use of bangs is a good idea because the new lower hairline should be introduced slowly so that the change will be more transparent. In a hair transplant, the change is so slow that no one usually notices it, but with this more radical surgery the final results of the new hairline is instantaneous. If you want to pull the hair back, the incision could be seen.
  5. No, unfortunately I do not have a recommendation in Toronto. Check with a good plastic surgeon in your area. Look for recommendations online, I suppose.




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Surgical Camouflage of Pluggy Hair Transplants (with Photos) – Hair Loss Information – Balding Blog

This patient had 1414 grafts almost 12 years ago to camouflage the obvious grafts in his frontal hairline and in the process, bring down his hairline into its normal position. His old transplants were placed too high and looked too pluggy. This is a nice result and a good demonstration of the value of camouflage when used properly. The photo on the left is before I performed any transplants on him (note the plugs there on the close-up), and the photo on the right is over a decade later. The key to the camouflage was to create a feathering zone of one hair grafts irregularly placed and spaced apart in front of the plugs, then with two hair grafts placed closer together, the transition to the old plugs was so gentle that the plugs were hidden from view. The patient was thrilled with the results.

When we wrote the original articles on repairs for the medical journals, it was taken from experiences like this man had. Today, we can harvest hair from the big plugs (not shown in these photos) as well as use camouflage as we did here. When this repair was done in 1995, the unfortunate standard of care at the time was still the ‘plugs’ that produced the corn row deformities. Surgeons were trying to repair the rough work by putting even more large grafts in between the larger grafts, which only compounded the problem. Fortunately today, few of these pluggy procedures are done and much of what we published has become today’s standard of care for repairs. To see the original work we did on the subject and the publications, look at: NewHair.com – Repair (search).

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When Might an African American Mature Hairline Start? – Balding Blog

I understand you say that the hairline matures at ages 17-29 depending on the person (race,genetics,etc.). when would u say african americans usually start to recede? i’m african american 18 yr whos temples began to recede a little and there is no balding on my mother side and receded hairlines on my father side.

Everyone varies. African hairlines are often flatter than northern European hairlines, so there is less a genetic propensity for the African hairline to behave as the photos show on the Maturation of a Hairline — Moving From Juvenile to Mature post. Still, although there are no absolute statistics, I believe that the mature hairline takes on a different appearance in people with African heritage. Where I believe than 96% of Caucasian males get the hairline shown in the above link, that number is substantially less in men with an African heritage. The mature African hairline, if it does undergo the changes shown above, should fall into the same age group. These hairline pattern also applies to Indians from India, many people from the Middle East and a large segment of men from Asian populations in China, Japan and Korea.

Good question!


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