What’s the Difference Between Rogaines?

Hello, We’re wondering about the difference between Rogaine for men, & Rogaine for women. Also, it would seem that by now something would be developed that you wouldn’t have to use twice a day, also something less sticky…

In today’s world of hi-tech advances (Latisse is one, & what a blessing for men/women who have had surgery), that something would come along that grows hair much easier.Just wondering…
Thank you

RogaineRogaine is a brand name for a topical formulation of a generic drug named minoxidil meant for topical application to the scalp (for hair growth). It comes in 5% strength for men and 2.5% strength for women and is available without a doctor’s prescription (over the counter). I’ve written about the ingredient differences before here.

Some formulations are very sticky, as you imply, and others are not. It all depends on the preparation of how it is mixed and packaged. The brand name Rogaine also comes in a foam and it is not sticky at all, but I believe it is slightly more expensive. In summary, there is consumer choice available to each of you and some experimenting with what is available maybe a good idea. All drugs have their limitations.

How Fast Can DUPA Take Effect?

I have a question about this condition which you call DUPA. Is its onset so sudden that you could go from having an overly thick head of hair to diffuse thinning including the sides and back in only 1 month. Also can chemical overprocessing make some of the individual hair strands thinner, because if so than I experienced it. I am torn between whether this is a chemical issue or I am suffering from sudden DUPA.

DUPA (diffuse unpatterned alopecia) will not appear in a month. If and when it hits, I suspect that it will develop over a long period of time (months to years). Chemical damage, on the other hand, will have a short cycle.

We do not understand a great deal about DUPA, but we are aware that the zone of hair around the sides and back of the head may not be permanent in everyone throughout their lifetime. If you go to an old age home and look at many of the men there, about 1/3rd to a half of the men over 80 have a see-through look on the sides and back of the head. When this is evaluated by mapping out the scalp for miniaturization, one sees many thin hairs in this ‘donor rim’ that should not be there. This diffuse alopecia may extend throughout the head, even in men who have no balding. I would venture to make the diagnosis of DUPA in these men. I believe that this condition, which the dermatologists have labeled ‘senile alopecia’, is something that hits men in all decades of life and a few men develop this condition when they are in their 20s or 30s. The use of Propecia has benefits to about half of these men, so I generally put people on Propecia who show signs of DUPA. Many of the poor transplant results that are seen occurs when the patient has DUPA and the surgeon does not check for it. The transplants become thin and the donor area, which was see through prior to the procedure, gets more see through after. I strongly warn every one of those patients I see with DUPA against having hair transplants and consider this condition a contra-indication for hair transplant surgery.

This is what we wrote about the various diffuse alopecias in a medical journal: “In addition to the regular Norwood Classes (I to VII) and the Norwood Class A’s (Ia to Va), there are two other types of male baldness that O’tar Norwood has termed “Diffuse Patterned Alopecia” and “Diffuse Unpatterned Alopecia.” 2 Although these patterns receive little attention, they appear to be quite common and present special problems for the transplant surgeon. We have attempted to further define and stage these two types of balding in order to gain insight into their appropriate management.

Diffuse Patterned Alopecia (DPA) is an androgenetic alopecia characterized by diffuse thinning in the front, top, and vertex of the scalp in conjunction with a stable permanent zone. Diffuse Patterned Alopecia is usually associated with the persistence of the frontal hairline represented by the hairline position of the Norwood Class II or Class III patient. Especially in the earlier stages, the thinning generally extends to the vertex without significant hair loss in the crown. It differs from the regular Norwood classification in that, when the hair loss is first noted, it is already in a stage resembling a thinning Norwood Class VI, rather than having progressed through the Norwood stages III, III Vertex, IV, and V, which are characterized by continued recession at the temples, an expanding vertex/crown, and the presence of a defined bridge separating the anterior and posterior portions of the scalp. In addition, there is an absence of the residual triangular elevation in the parietal region that helps to define the typical Norwood Class VI patient.

Diffuse Patterned Alopecia differs from the less common Diffuse Unpatterned Alopecia (DUPA) which is also androgenetic, but lacks a stable permanent zone. Diffuse Unpatterned Alopecia patients have a similar progression of balding as the DPA patient except that the progression is often more rapid and will more likely eventuate in a “horseshoe pattern” resembling the Norwood class VII, except that in contrast to the Norwood VII, the DUPA “horseshoe” can look almost “transparent” due to the low density. The differentiation between DPA and DUPA is critically important because DPA patients are often good candidates for an appropriately timed transplant, whereas DUPA patients should almost never be transplanted because they will inevitably have extensive hair loss without a stable zone in which to harvest the hair.

Both Diffuse Patterned and Unpatterned alopecia also occur in women. However, in contrast to men, the DUPA in women is much more common, probably occurring 10 times as frequently as DPA. As in men, the female DUPA patients are not good candidates for a transplant (except in the instance where the donor hair is used solely to soften the frontal edge of a wig). The high incidence of Diffuse Unpatterned Alopecia in women partly explains why so few women have their hair transplanted. It is also important to emphasize that a non-androgenetic differential must be considered in all unpatterned alopecias. This is especially true in women, where a host of medical conditions can produce diffuse unpatterned hair loss including anemia, thyroid disease, connective tissue disease, gynecological conditions, and severe emotional problems.

We find densitometry to be helpful in distinguishing Diffuse Patterned Alopecia from Diffuse Unpatterned Alopecia. A donor density in the range of 1.0 to 1.5 hairs/mm 2 with donor miniaturization in excess of 35% indicates an unstable permanent zone and precludes a diagnosis of DPA. As discussed in the section “Predicting Short- and Long-Term Hair-Loss,” these densitometry readings in a younger patient, even with little clinically apparent hair loss, point toward a high risk of extensive balding. The importance of densitometry is that not only will it help to distinguish between DPA and DUPA, but it can help to predict which patient will not be a good candidate for a transplant even before visible balding has begun. “


2007-07-11 14:45:17How Fast Can DUPA Take Effect?

When I Don’t Wash My Hair for Days, Hair Only Comes Out When I Rub My Head

I have noticed when i don’t wash my hair for a couple days, the sebum and oil and all that builds up on my scalp. When this happens i don’t see any hair falling out, but when I rub my head, tons and tons of hair falls out but i still have thick hair when its longer.

Is this because the oils and everything on my scalp are holding in the loose hairs that should be falling out and when i rub my scalp that is when it comes out? It is making me think I am losing way more hair then the normal amount!

Hair loss has nothing to do with washing your hair. You are likely correct in your guess, that it is the oils or possibly any hair styling product you’re using that is keeping the loose hairs that would’ve normally fallen out throughout the day. Once you rub your head, those hairs become dislodged from the surrounding hairs and fall out.


2013-04-22 09:53:22When I Don’t Wash My Hair for Days, Hair Only Comes Out When I Rub My Head

How long can topical finasteride be effective?

Do you believe that it stays effective long term? (Say more than two years) Or will it lose effectiveness compared to the oral form? I am 22 years of age and considering taking topical instead of oral. Let me know what you think.

If you are asking me if you continue to apply it for 2 years or more, will it still be effective. The answer is yes!


2020-12-16 11:00:24How long can topical finasteride be effective?

When Will I Go Bald?

i am 20 yrs old,and my dad is bald,although he started losing his hair only when he was 37 yrs old,i just have the fear that i may also get bald like my dad,so far now,my hair is ok,just that i have some dandruff .is there any specific age that i wil start balding,or how can i keep my hair healthy and ever long lasting.is it mandatory that i may also lose hair as well as i grow old

Balding almost never hits men under 18, so I have set up a model for the balding process to give some insights into men on the balding process. If you imagine that we are born with different types of baby hair that changes as we get into our first year. Then it changes again through childhood and then again around puberty (11-13). I suspect that these changes are influenced heavily by the hormone DHT. The hair undergoes another change between 18-29 years old.

The changes are two fold. The first part of the process is the advancement of the frontal hairline into the mature position. The typical juvenile hairline of the 12 year old boy is no different than the hairline of the 12 year old girl, but as men (typically 95% of Caucasians) move into a mature pattern with the central area rising about ½ – 3/4th inch above the central crease and the sides move up about 1-1½ inches, giving a slightly receded corner. A small percentage of men (Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan) keep their 12 year old hairlines through life. Many young men mistake the mature changes in the Caucasian hairline for balding. Such changes are normal, but for the soap actors who must retain their baby face, such changes are devastating, so on rare occasions I have restored this juvenile hairline on famous actors.

Secondly, the balding process may start anytime after this change starts (about 18 years old). Since real balding starts at about 18 years old (caused by the impact of DHT on the susceptible genes associated with genetic hair loss) the faster the fall out occurs, the worse the prognosis. There is some protection against DHT that holds until 18, but when that protection is gone, the faster the fall out, the more is the indication that balding will be severe. On a visit to my office, I will put the hair of the patient on a TV, so that they can look at the hair shaft diameter variability. Normal (non-balding) hair has equal diameter while genetically impacted hair starts to become finer and finer, reducing the diameter to smaller and smaller sizes (miniaturization is the term that doctors use) until it becomes threadlike and just disappears. The drug Propecia blocks the impact of DHT on these impacted hairs, often slowing, stopping or reversing the process over time. The best way to change the course of this hair loss is to take Propecia which means that you must stay on the drug for life. Short of that medication, there is no effective proven medication or treatment. There is no doubt that the hair loss will still pick up again (even on the drug) but it will be a slower process.

How Long Does The Balding Process Take?

I am a 27 year-old male from Toronto, Canada. I have a family history (faternal family and partenal family) of MPB. In the summer of 2005, my stylist informed that I was thinning at the top/front. I was in denial as I have used lots of gel or similar styling products and have been able to see my scalp. I later noticed the front thinning a little, but did not really care as it did not seem to be serious. In late December 2005, my uncle asked me if my hair was thinning (which he has always done b/c of the gel) and my aunt said that my hair was thinning from the crown….my sister said she noticed it as well. The next day I asked my barber not to use styling product and he said that would be good b/c of the thinning on the top (the first time he has mentioned it since the summer!!!). Needless to say I am no longer in denial BUT I WANT TO TAKE ACTION AS QUICK AS POSSIBLE.

I am going to speak with my family doctor about propecia/proscar. I have bought rogaine (2%) but will wait to use it, as I would like to see the doctors say and b/c of your advice to start out with one remedy so that I can know what is effective. I have also bought nizoral (2%). The rogaine seems like a pain to use. I am a very very busy young professional.

I have a few questions:

  1. do you have suggestions for a good doctor in Toronto, Ontario, Canada (preferably downtown core) where I can get miniaturization done?
  2. how long does the balding process take? I am concerned that I will lose a lot more hair before any medication kicks in. I would BE QUITE HAPPY IF I COULD MAINTAIN MY CURRENT HAIR for the next 8 – 10 years as I love my locks.
  3. Is avodart available in Canada?
  4. do you recommend any particular thickening shampoo and styling product? I want to avoid the revivogen and stuff like that.

Thank you for your help.

  1. Check with the ISHRS for a doctor near you by using their physician search.
  2. The balding process varies with each person. The reality is that very bald men are usually on their way to that diagnosis well before their 29th birthday.
  3. If you do have genetic hair loss, Propecia or Proscar (broken down to 4 parts of a tablet) is more appropriate than Avodart at this time. That being said, I do not know of the availability of Avodart in Canada.
  4. I don’t believe that styling shampoos or any topical agents will help.

It sounds like genetic balding is the diagnosis, but I couldn’t properly determine that without an examination. As you know, we tend to follow our family patterns, which also includes the rate of balding. Find out who you take after, and you will have a better idea of what may happen if you do not go on such medications as Propecia.


2006-01-09 09:37:15How Long Does The Balding Process Take?

Which Hair Transplant Surgery Should I Get? Isn’t FUE Better? FUE vs FUSS Strip vs ARTAS Hair Transplant

What is the difference between FUE and FUSS – strip surgery? Which is better? I am confused. Doctor tells me that the strip surgery is not done anymore and it’s an old fashion surgery. That the future is the ARTAS. How is the ARTAS different than the FUE? There are so many choices it is confusing to decide how to choose a hair transplant surgery method.

Dr. Pak was an engineer working with me (Dr. Rassman) in the mid 1990s before he went off to medical school to be a doctor . We worked to invent a system or robot which would use cameras and special optical sighting system to target a hair follicle to automatically take out a follicle using the FUE technique. This work became U.S. Patent 6572625 that we licensed to Restoration Robotics, the company that sells the ARTAS robot. Dr. Pak and I since worked on many U.S. Patents used in the ARTAS as well as other hair harvesting and implanting devices.

Follicular Unit Extraction FUE robot concept 1998 by Jae Pak - before ARTAS results

Dr. Pak performs FUE at the New Hair Institute with a special FUE instrument he designed. He has at his disposal the ARTAS, or even NeoGraft. Even with all the technology (ARTAS, etc), his manual technique with his instrument is faster and just as precise (if not better).

He is just as fast and precise at the FUSS – strip technique. He can harvest a donor strip and close the wound and clean the area all under 5 minutes. There is a video of this on the Internet. Speed does not necessarily make you a better surgeon, but he has the experience and accuracy. Our experienced techs can dissect each FUSS strip into exact precision perfect grafts.

My point is that you should choose the type of surgery based on the merits of the doctor (not technology). Dr. Pak and I are very familiar with the FUE, ARTAS, NeoGraft, and all forms of harvesting hair follicles. We also offer all method of harvest. In terms of graft quality between FUE (ARTAS, Neograft) versus FUSS strip, the FUSS strip harvested grafts are generally better (which means better results). The exceptions are the doctors with unskilled staff. Then the ARTAS grafts will be better (or rather up to par or standard).

Many doctors push FUE or Neograft or ARTAS claiming “no scar” or “minimally invasive”.
Many doctors dissuade patients from strip surgery asking “why would you want a big scar”.

The focus should be on RESULTS. Not how a doctor takes out the grafts. From a donor scarring perspective, if you are ever going to shave your head or cut your hair really short, you should probably get the FUE. That is it! Line scars are not an issue for most men and women with long hair (minimum #3 or #2 hair clipper). Just remember a 4000 graft FUE scar is like having a collective open wound hole the size of a baseball on the back of the head. There is nothing minimally invasive about that. We end up performing Scalp MicroPigmentation (SMP) and fix horrible FUE scars routinely. These is nothing “scarless” about FUE. DR Pak has performed surgery on me and my family members using the strip technique. The linear scar on me is a pencil thin line you probably will have a hard time finding. It’s not that Dr. Pak is a better surgeon, it is because my body heals well. The point is, a strip surgery scar is not as terrible as the Internet makes it out to be and there are also terrible FUE scars.

Again, the focus should be on RESULTS.
A bad hair transplant result from FUE or Strip is like Herpes. You’ll carry it with you for life.

How Long Until Hair Regrowth with Medications

Hi DR,
i have been through all the entires in the blog and find it quiet useful… here is my problem/question…

I am almost 26 yr old male and experiencing considerable thining. This probably started 7 months ago although it was not that noticeable and there was considerable self denial on my part. My frontal hair are thinning althogh my hairline is maintanied and now even the crown area is thinning considerably. It a very emotional rollercoaster for me and i’m feeling depressed. today I started on propecia and saw palmetto and maybe i ll use nizoral shampoo too. I want to know how long will it take to see a complete stoppage of hairloss and regrowth of new hair ? I may be a BIT late in starting but the thinning started occuring 6 months back and considering that I had a head of full thick hair until october last year… I was in total self denial that my hair was thinnnig. My dermatologist confirned its a case of MPB since my dad started losing his hair in his very late 20s. I am not even married and its very emotionally distressing :(. What are my hopes ?? Also will a sinus surgery(with local IV sedation) cause any further hairloss on me or contibute ?

Please write back. Thanks

With a 7 month history of hair loss, there is sill a possibility of controlled loss or reversal of some or all of the hair loss within the first two years you are on this medication. You must wait this out. I would recommend against taking Saw Palmetto with it, as there may be competition for the DHT enzyme sites between the two medications making the Propecia less effective. Any added stress can impact the rate of hair loss, and sinus surgery is no exception. Still, if you need the sinus surgery, do it and continue to take the Propecia regularly.

Good luck.

Why Am I Losing My Eyebrow Hair?

Dear Doctor,
I am losing my eyebrows hair (23-male).

  1. Can dandruff be a reason for it?
  2. Do you always recommend scalp hair for translpanting to eyebrows? Can chest hair be used? Or armpit hair?
  3. I have always heard about scarring at donor site. Are there scars or marks at recipient site ever?

Thank You very much indeed.

There are many reasons for eyebrow hair loss, including hypothyroidism, plucking, trichotillomania, psoriasis with scratching, dermatitis, infection, any inflammation process, and a series of autoimmune problems including alopecia areata/totalis. Using hair at the occipital area to transplant by single strands to the eyebrow areas is the best way to do it.

  1. Dandruff is not the cause for it.
  2. Experience with other body hair (armpit, chest hair, leg hair) is not well documented and must be looked at as experimental at this stage.
  3. I have never seen scars in the recipient area.


2006-03-14 14:33:26Why Am I Losing My Eyebrow Hair?

How many grafts do I need?

I hear that question all of the time. The answers often vary from 1000 to as high as 6000 grafts, sometimes regardless of the balding pattern. We focus on the number of grafts because more grafts move more hair into the balding area. But the real numbers depend upon

  • hair thickness,
  • the balding pattern,
  • the color of your skin and hair,
  • the character of your hair, the thickness of the hair shafts (fine, medium or coarse)
  • and most important, something about your donor supply capacity to support the balding pattern at the time the question is asked.

Note that I am putting in a time factor, because balding is a progressive process and how bald you are today, might be distinctly different than how bald you will be tomorrow.

Some young men fly to Turkey, get 5000-6000 grafts for minimal cost. Then they come home to wait and watch it grow. Assuming that the clinic did it right (not the case in many Turkey clinics that don’t have a doctor but sell grafts (like potatoes were sold to the Irish at the time of the famine in the 1800s), they may run out of grafts (or potatoes) before they finish balding.

Hair transplants need to be part of a Personalized Master Plan that incorporates how you are going to manage fixing the balding problem against a progressive balding process. If you use up all of your donor hair before the balding is complete, you may end up looking freaky for the rest of your life. I hear the young man tell me that they are not worried about their hair loss when they get to 30, or 35 or 40. I speak with many 30, 35 and 40 year old men and they ALL CARE about what their hair looks like. Poor planning is almost always a disaster for sometime down the road. All doctors are not equal. Some doctors are in it for the money, so selling more grafts means making more money. You have to identify those doctors and make sure that you don’t get one of them. I always say that a good decision today is a good decision tomorrow.

So to answer the basic question “How many grafts do I need?”, take it easy, digest what you read above and the look to some of the following links below:


2021-10-18 14:39:16How many grafts do I need?