Bald for 20 Years – Will Propecia Work?

I’m 43 and completely bald except around the side of my head-I can grow hair everywhere on my body except the top of my head-lol! I’m wondering if Rogaine or Propecia has worked on guys that are already bald and I have been since I was 22 or so

Going on Propecia or Rogaine may help prevent further hair loss, but if your skin is smooth and the depth between the skin and the skull is very shallow (atrophic skin), these medications will probably not cause you to grow hair on your ‘runway’. The reason is that when the supportive blood vessels, fat, muscle, glands and nerve tissue atrophy and die off, there is little to stimulate with these medications. If your hair loss process is stable and meets the above criteria, then there may be no point to medications. If your hair loss is not stable (some small hairs are still there and the scalp is not atrophic) then these medications may help. If your fringe area is dropping , then Propecia may stop its migration downward (to your ears). I doubt that minoxidil will have any impact, but you could try it. Propecia or Rogaine will not strengthen the follicles that have already shriveled up and disappeared, but they may help hold or regrow whatever follicles are left that are in the miniaturized state.

Miniaturization: Critical to the Master Plan for Hair Loss

Miniaturization occurs in men and women who are balding. Miniaturization is the process where a normal thickness hair shaft becomes thinner and thinner over time due to the genetically determined effects of aging and/or androgenic hormones on the terminal (normal) hair follicle. The process of miniaturization is a slow process in genetic balding. Hair shafts may lose 10% of their diameter, then 20%, then 30% and so on. Each degree of increased miniaturization reflects further progression of the genetic balding process. The instruments that measure miniaturization were invented (and patented) by me in the early 1990s (patent ) and they are in wide spread use today. Socially detectable hair loss is not evident until more than 50% of average weight hair has been lost (more with fine, high contrast skin/scalp color hair and less with coarse, low contrast skin/scalp color hair) and as a result, many men do not seek out expert help until they see some evidence of balding (which they too often deny).

When a doctor views the scalp hair with high magnification, the degree of miniaturization and the location of the miniaturization are both critical to establishing (1) the diagnosis and (2) the rate of the process, which progresses over time. Because miniaturization is a relative measurement at any one time (comparing finer hair to the thickest hair), it takes substantial experience before this measurement can be useful to the individual clinician. In our experience, from examining and following tens of thousands of patients with the hair densitometer (video microscope), we have found that assessing the degree of miniaturization has useful predictive value when evaluating the risks of hair loss and in establishing hair loss patterns. The amount of miniaturization in each section of the scalp tells the physician just how far the balding is progressing or has progressed. In men who show more and more areas of miniaturization over time, the genetic balding can be considered active. In men treated with finasteride, if the miniaturization is reduced or the hair count is increased, it can be assumed that the balding process is coming under medical control.

We know that hair loss occurs in patterns (see Norwood Chart), but these patterns are what the eye can see. When the naked eye picks up these patterns, the miniaturization is always in a more advanced state. The balder the patient is, the worse is both the absolute hair count (density or healthy hairs) and the relative fullness of the miniaturized hair shafts. Clearly, miniaturized hairs that have a reduced hair circumference of 10% will have more bulk value than a hair circumference reduction of 70%.

In our practice we use a video densitometer to map each patient’s scalp. We typically map and digitally photograph a series of discrete areas on the scalp that reflect the balding and non-balding areas. The non-balding donor area (back and sides of the head) reflect the numbers of hairs per square inch the patient was probably born with. By comparing the donor area with other areas that might be balding, we will have very relevant numbers that will reflect the eventual balding that the naked eye will pick up as the balding progresses.

As an exercise in thinking out the process that the skilled doctor performs, follow the thinking on the following case example: Miniaturization in the recipient area (front, top and crown) can often delineate which areas of the scalp are most likely to bald and which are stable, anticipating the patient’s future Norwood hair loss classification. If a 38 year old man has most of the miniaturization in front and very little in the mid-scalp and none in the crown, then the physician may safely assume that the eventual hair loss pattern will probably not go much beyond a Class 3A or 4A pattern (worst case scenario). View the diagram below and click the button for a view of the degree of miniaturization of the patient illustrated here. From this, a Master Plan can be derived depending upon how the existing hair loss is bothering the patient. If the hair loss is just showing some thinning, it may be logical to treat it with finasteride alone, while if the hair loss is more advanced, looks like it is balding and it bothers the patient, then it could be treated with a hair transplant. Because the doctor knows the miniaturization pattern and the age of the patient, he may confidently predict this patient’s worst case and with that information, the patient can budget his time and money to do or not to do a hair transplant. That is why I say that the future management of hair loss needs a Master Plan. In Patient QQ, this is just what happened. He had one hair transplant procedure 10 years ago and because he had limited miniaturization to the frontal area, I could predict that he would probably not need further work for some time. If his situation was to evolve differently (such that he lost more hair than I had predicted) then he could always have had another transplant (if he needed and/or wanted it). He was close to 50 when he came to see me, near the end of his hair loss process. Now his experience with me is just a fond memory of a difficult time in his distant past.

We feel that predicting the short-term loss (the extent of miniaturization in the recipient area, as well as the rapidity of the loss) is critical in establishing the guidelines for treatment, whether it is a hair transplant or drug intervention. In the very early stages of hair loss (the man in his early-mid twenties), findings of increased miniaturization can anticipate future balding even before any loss can be seen to the naked eye. Often, the reason a person seeks a consultation from a hair restoration expert is that there is some change in the “rate” of his hair loss (often more hair seen on the pillow or in the shower). A patient who is very gradually losing his hair is less likely to seek help, compared to a patient who suddenly has acceleration in the rate that he is losing hair. Usually large numbers of hairs undergo miniaturization before any are actually lost and the time the drugs are most effective is in this early phase. In men, DHT is the hormone responsible for these changes.

Ideally, if you are balding, you should take finasteride after mapping your scalp to identify if you have male pattern baldness. The focus upon mapping for miniaturization is to (1) estimate the pattern of hair loss, and (2) measure the starting point for miniaturization so that changes caused by finasteride can be measured over time. Although it takes around 6 to 8 months before you can see the effect of finasteride visually from hair length, it is highly possible that the impact of finasteride on the emerging hair will be earlier than the projected 6-8 months. The measurements are very fast and easy to get from a hair transplant physician and it is today’s Standard of Care that should be available to every balding patient wanting a Master Plan for their future hair loss and hair loss management (medical or surgical).

With successful medical (drug) treatments like finasteride, the miniaturization may be reversed (partly or completely). The responsiveness of each patient is different, so each patient must be diligent in acquiring follow up measurements of the degree of miniaturization and the location of the miniaturization by scalp location. The same diagnostic criteria should and must be followed in women. Without good, reproducible measurements for miniaturization, there is no clinical science in the treatment of hair loss, just hocus-pocus and blustering, a problem that is far too frequent today.

Click each zone or area in the image below to see a microscopic view of the miniaturization (or lack thereof) in a typical balding male:

PZ = Permanent Zone
T1, T2 = Temples
F1, F2 = Frontal
M = Middle
V = Vertex

The below image is a guide to see examples of normal, moderately miniaturized, and advanced miniaturized hair. Click to enlarge.

 

Bald Spots Appearing on Face and Scalp Over the Past Month

About a month ago I noticed two spots of hair not growning on my face and then a week later another on my cheek. Now I have a small spot on the bad of my head missing hair also. My girlfriend thinks it’s because of stress. What do you think it is?

You need to see a good dermatologist. Amongst the things that the doctor will evaluate is the possibility of alopecia areata or ringworm (the two most common causes of what you are talking about). It is not reasonable to expect me to make a diagnosis over the internet from a few lines of description.


2007-12-17 16:43:45Bald Spots Appearing on Face and Scalp Over the Past Month

Minoxidil 3 months (photo)

Topical Minoxidil seems to be able to restore the temple peaks in this man in just 3 months. It will only get better in time


2021-02-04 09:37:31Minoxidil 3 months (photo)

Balding in Professional Sports — Rare?

Hi Dr. Rassman! I have a pretty weird question for you.

I just read a comment you made about most politicians having lots of hair compared to the average man. As a big fan of european soccer, I have noticed that almost all of the games biggest stars have a full head of hair (Francesco Totti, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Fernando Torres, David Beckham, Luis Figo and more). The only superstar who is balding is Zinedine Zidane from France. Very few choose to shave their head and those who do aren’t balding (ronaldo). For example, Englands national team does not have one bald guy in the starting 11. The same goes for Italy. And a lot of other big soccer teams don’t have much bald guys. Is this a coincidence?

There seems to be a good number of balding men in tennis. I can’t make a case one way or the other on your observations on soccer, but do think that it is interesting to note. Thanks for sharing.

Minoxidil and Propecia Side Effect

what’s with all the horror stories being posted on this blog about side effects that are irreversible- or reversible over a long period of time?

I’d very much like to try minoxidil and would really appreciate a professional opinion on the matter.

These anecdotes about wrinkles, dark circles, etc.. are all over the internet. Yet no official info exists.

What gives?

It just shows that Internet can be a great source of information as well as mis-information. Thus I advocate seeing a doctor face to face to ask your medical questions. Please point me to the link on this BaldingBlog if you have found a conflicting information on side effects. You can easily do a search (upper right corner) for this topic on my Baldingblog.

What other readers write about their personal opinion and anecdotes are just that.

Propecia is reported to have sexual side effects in 1 to 2 percent of men. There are reports that it caused permanent side effects but how the study was verified is questionable.
There are reports of Rogain causing wrinkles and dark circles but they are also anecdotes. I have not personally seen this in my 23 years of practice.

minoxidil & dermarolling 6 months (photos)

This man used minoxidil and dermarolling for 6 months on the frontal hairline with some regrowth evident which will only get better over time


2020-11-08 08:08:16minoxidil & dermarolling 6 months (photos)

I Believe That There Are Other Causes of Hair Loss That Have Not Been Discussed (from Reddit)

Thanks for your insights.

This has been heavily studied, and the genetic component of hair loss is well documented. We get these genes from our ancestors, and sometimes it skips generations, sometimes not. But curiosity is important, and I do believe that one should never accept what you are told without questioning it.

The real cause of hair loss! from tressless


2018-06-21 08:53:58I Believe That There Are Other Causes of Hair Loss That Have Not Been Discussed (from Reddit)

Minoxidil Made Me Bald in Under 2 Months

Dr Rassman,
minoxidil is the worst product ever in the world. I started using it 1 and half month ago and then my hair loss reached a shocking amount .I quit minoxidil 15 days ago. My hair loss reduced but still there is some shedding. Now I am look like really bald. I am really worried about it. My social life also is affected. I dont wanna go outside or do something with people. I am really depressed. At the same time I am using propecia but as I said I am bald right now.

My questions are, will my lost hairs be replaced? If it will,how long it will take? I am 20 years old and my hair is really important to me. please help me.

Hair is really important to a lot of men, so you’re not alone. I am sorry you are experiencing hair loss. Unfortunately, hair loss is mainly due to genetic causes and many men in their late teens or 20s will go through what you are going through.

There have been cases of initial shedding from minoxidil use, but this is usually temporary. I can’t say for sure how long it’ll persist or if those shed hairs will regrow. I do not know anything about you (e.g. age and family history). Please follow up with the doctor who prescribed you Propecia and discuss further options.