Is Finasteride Really That Much Different than Saw Palmetto?

Hello. I have been balding for around 4 years (started when i was 17 unfortunately) and I have searched for solutions for my hair loss endlessly to no reward. I have used multiple shampoos, different types of minoxidil (spectra-DNC and more recently rogaine foam- had to stop rogaine foam because it seemed as if i was shedding ridiculous amounts for way to long ~1 month) and still nothing.

I feel like have no where else to go besides into the realm of anti-hormone therapy. By that I mean finasteride (propecia) or Saw Palmetto pills. My question now is, is the herbal route (saw palmetto) that much different than the pharmaceutical route (finasteride)? They both inhibit 5-alpha reductase leading to lower levels of DHT so what makes one drug better than the other?

Another question I had was, after testosterone is inhibited from becoming DHT, what happens with the extra testosterone? Does aromatase convert it to estrogen (-> leading to gynecomastia)? Does it have the same effect as steroids whereby exogenous testosterone leads to smaller testicles and decreased sperm count?

Thank you.

For starters, peer-reviewed clinical studies about saw palmetto as a DHT blocker do not exist, making it difficult to make any comparison. It’s a catch 22, I know — it’s a natural herb so it won’t be able to have any patent protection, thus no company will put up the funding to get a good study done. Still, Propecia (finasteride) does have such studies, meaning there is real data to look at and make judgments on. If you don’t want to go the pharma route and would rather go with saw palmetto, that is entirely up to you. I don’t think the results will be there with saw palmetto, however.

Much of what you state has bits of truth to it, but it’s not a complete picture nor is it really helping you understand things. Hormonal pathways are very complicated and you cannot narrow things down to explain things to suit your needs. I am not going to explain all the biochemical pathway of testosterone to DHT to aromatase, etc. It’s a bit too abstract for this site, and honestly I don’t want to teach a course in college biochemistry.

So lets start from the beginning… and by that I mean, what are your goals? If your goal is to find a cure for hair loss, then you will not find it. There is no cure for hair loss. If your goal is to slow down male pattern hair loss then the only thing that I know of that really works is finasteride and topical minoxidil. These medications do not stop hair loss per se, but will help slow down the loss before your genetic predisposition eventually wins over (this could be many years). Everyone responds to the medication differently, and ALL medication have side effects.

Propecia’s side effects have be beaten to death on various web forums, much of it being false or blown out of proportion. Take note, Propecia is not the only medication that has side effects. Just look up any common medication on the Internet and I am sure you will find loads of false (as well as true) information and their horror stories. My guess is that Propecia is a sensitive topic to most, because words such as “erectile dysfunction” and “decreased libido” are key issues for any male patient. If you look up medications like Prozac or drugs used to treat high blood pressure, you will also find “erectile dysfunction” as one of the many side effects.

The patients who are considering Propecia should be aware that side effects exist, but in reality (from my personal medical practice with actual patients I see at my office) the incidence of “erectile dysfunction” is as stated in the medical literature — 1 to 2%. Those patients with these issues can stop the medication and the side effects reverse within a week. The incidence of gynecomastia is about 1 in 300 to 1 in 500 (I am not sure of the exact published number), but I only remember one patient reporting sensitive breasts about 3 years ago. He stopped the medication and he was fine afterward.

One last thing I wanted to point out — Propecia does not give you small testicles or decreased sperm count.


2010-10-22 15:30:47Is Finasteride Really That Much Different than Saw Palmetto?

Is Finasteride Making My Eyes Sensitive to Light?

Hi Dr. Rassman,
I saw my Dermatologist recently and after a quick scan of my hair, he prescribed me Proscar for early stages of MPB. I’m 28 now. I started taking 1/4ths and after 3 months decided to cut
it into 1/8ths to stay below 1mg per day.

About a month in, I noticed a few things with my vision. I noticed a couple of floaters, I was more sensitive to light especially at night with headlights and street lights and my eyes
were more dry. A trip to the eye doctor revealed no issues, but the effects still persist periodically.

In your experiences, have you had any patients report any changes to their eyes/vision? I’ve read some posts on message boards with the same issues but don’t find them reliable.

Many thanks! and this is a great board!

First, I commend you in having the skill to break such a small pill into 8 equal pieces.

Second, I doubt finasteride is the cause of your eye problem. I’ve not had any reports of this from any patient I’ve prescribed finasteride to and I haven’t seen anything in the medical literature about vision issues from finasteride. It is unclear if you were seen by a optometrist or an ophthalmologist (the latter is a physician who specializes in eye problems). Seeing “floaters” may be benign, but it may also herald other medical issues.


2007-07-25 14:32:44Is Finasteride Making My Eyes Sensitive to Light?

Is Finasteride Growing Black Vellus Hairs at My Hairline? (With Photos)

Hi Doc,

I’m 22-years-old and have been on Finasteride for a little over a year. I had my hair properly examined 4 months ago, and the doctor confirmed that Finasteride has increased my hair density significantly.

I just noticed little black hairs on my hairline. I’m wondering what they are? I don’t believe I had these hairs when I started treatment. Could these be miniaturized hairs that may eventually turn into terminal hairs? They seem a little dark to be vellus?

Thanks

P.S. You’re welcome to use these pictures on your blog.

Click the photos to enlarge:

 

Finasteride 1mg doesn’t usually regrow the frontal hairline or vellus hairs. With that said, everyone has vellus hairs at the hairline, so perhaps you are just noticing them for the first time as you are paying more attention to it. The only real way to tell is if you have a BEFORE photo of the same are. If your doctor does bulk measurements on your hair, it would determine if there is a reduction of hair mass, usually caused by genetic balding.

Is Finasteride Evenly Distributed in a Proscar Tablet?

I would like to thank you for this very useful resource, and your consideration of submmited questions. I have a question about Proscar- since Proscar tablets are not scored four ways- is the finasteride distributed equally throughout the pill, in other words could their be more potent peices of the pill. This was a concern I had about switching to proscar. Are you aware if the pills have an equall distribution of finasteride? It seems like they may not since they are designed to be halved not quartered.

I can not imagine why Merck would weight the active ingredients in a tablet of Proscar (finasteride 5mg). I can’t say with 100% certainty, but I’d believe the distribution is fairly even throughout, particularly since the pill is likely homogenized. If it’s not perfect, it would probably be within a very small fraction of a percent difference. The Proscar isn’t scored, so you will likely get a little more of less each day anyway unless you somehow manage to get a perfect cut on an odd-shaped pill (see image at right). It’s a good question and although I did a little bit of research on it, I couldn’t find the absolute answer for you.

There’s an interesting thread at Drugs-Forum.com about splitting pills and ingredient distribution that you might find useful.

Is finasteride a good medication for your prostate

Finasteride can positively impact a swollen prostate and is typically used in men with prostatic hypertrophy, commonly over the age of 50. Also, in men who used it for a long time, it reduces the risk of prostate cancer by 25%. The recommended dose, however, is 5mg, in the form of Proscar.

Is Facial Swelling a Common Occurence Following a Hair Transplant?

A close friend of mine had a hair transplant and I noted some serious swelling around the face immediately afterward. I did not expect a transplant to produce that degree of facial swelling. Is that normal or is this just a rare case? If it’s rare, why do you think this occurred? Was it the surgery or the medication he was on after? It doesn’t speak to any problem with the grafts, right?

I’m considering a hair transplant but I want to use styling to hide the transplants while they heal — I can’t hide a swollen face, though.

Facial swelling can occur after a hair transplant from either the surgical procedure or just from an anesthetic alone, and it could be quite obvious in some cases. It’s not terribly common to see a large amount of swelling, though I’m not sure to what degree you consider the swelling to be “serious”.

The swelling is more of an annoyance than anything, and it doesn’t signify a problem with the surgery, healing, or future graft growth.

To minimize this risk, I use a single large dose of steroids at the time of the surgery or scalp anesthetic, and it usually prevents its occurrence. We rarely see it, but it does occur from time to time. When it occurs, it usually lasts a couple of days.

Is Facial Hair Growth Related to DHT?

I always had little facial and body hair until I was about 20. Now my facial hair grows faster and thicker. Coincidently my hairloss is much worse then before and itches a lot more. Is facial hair growth related to DHT fluctuations do you think?

I believe that DHT is one of the hormones that stimulate our male sex characteristics, like voice change, beard and chest hair, and hair loss in the unfortunate men who have the ‘genetic hair loss’ curse. I have seen in very rare cases some patients that have disappearance or decrease of body hair with Propecia use.


2006-12-04 07:50:37Is Facial Hair Growth Related to DHT?

Is Extreme Balding More Acceptable Today?

Back in the 80’s & early 90’s this was an acceptable hairstyle to rock for men with hair loss. The shaved head has only been a more recent trend among balding dudes. At some point will the horseshoe be considered a more stylish option than shaving your head? I’m curious because I’m sick of balding dudes all having to rock the same haircut.

Balding with a shaved head works for many men. Some men get Scalp Micropigmentation (https://scalpmicropigmentation.com/ and look at the men on the front page. Also drill down on the bold men in the gallery). Either way, it is more what is in your head than what is on top of it.


2020-06-11 09:55:39Is Extreme Balding More Acceptable Today?

Is Elan Muck on finasteride?

What is the probability of shock loss when getting a transplant without fin? Are some people able to get transplants without it?

Shock loss is common when there is a lot of miniaturization. Therefore, shock loss is more common in younger men, typically under 30 or 35 depending upon what miniaturization presents.

is Dutasteride safe?

Dutasteride is not FDA-cleared for use on hair loss. It also has a very long half-life of 5-6 weeks in the bloodstream and many, many months in your body. That means if you develop side effects and stop the medications, the side effects can last up to a year. Finasteride, on the other hand, has a bloodstream half-life of 4-6 hours, and if you stop it, it will be out of your system in weeks, not months. The FDA also cleared finasteride for hair loss use.