What is the difference between a biopsy and a HAIRCHECK test?

A hair biopsy or rather a scalp biopsy takes a small piece of your scalp out with a knife or punch, and sends it off to pathology to view it under a high powered microscope after it has been prepared and stained. A HAIRCHECK instrument tests for the thickness of the hair in a defined area of the scalp. As this can be compared area by area, the differences always reflects loss of hair bulk or hair mass. The HAIRCHECK test is non-invasive while the biopsy is invasive

Propecia and Shedding Phase

I am 23 years old. I would like to know if the shedding phase associated with Propecia is a real thing. I was on Propecia for 2 months when a shed began. I was losing about 3 times as much hair as usual. I read on some online forums that Propecia can have a “shedding phase” where you lose a bunch of hair but it then stops and grows back. So I stayed on Propecia for an additional 2 and half months after the shed began. During this time the shed never relinquished so I stopped Propecia. My hair loss returned to its baseline rate within a few days. When I talked to my dermatologist he had never had a patient experience this “shed.” Also, on the forums it appears that for many people the shed never actually stops. For these people it just continues to fall out. This led me to believe that maybe the Propecia is causing a chronic telogen effluvium that does not cease until the drug is discontinued, as can occur with other medicine. I was considering trying Propecia again. So my question is, have you ever actually seen someone go through this shedding phase and then it stopped and they experienced no more hairloss? I would like to know if I should have stayed on the drug longer or if I just simply did not respond to it appropriately.

There is no shedding of hair associated with Propecia. There is however, natural genetic hair loss that still persist even while taking Propecia. In other words, Propecia does not completely stop hair loss. Propecia does not cause more hair loss. Internet forums are a collection of opinions from its members. It does not necessarily mean it is a definitive source or the correct source of information. If you are seeking a personal medical information, please see a doctor.

Diffuse Unpatterned Alopecia-DUPA

I have a Class 3 balding pattern (just corner loss) and I went to a hair transplant doctor who offered to perform 2000 grafts in the front to address the balding area. It seemed to me that I was thinning outside of my frontal balding area. The doctor who offered me the surgery never looked at my hair under a microscope. I am a 24 year old male and I purchased a hand microscope as you suggested on Amazon. When I looked at my donor area, this is what I saw in different parts of the donor area. How would you interpret the hand microscope pictures I have attached here?

This is clearly Diffuse Unpatterned Alpopecia (DUPA) which I originally wrote about in 1997 (see here: https://baldingblog.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/mp-1997-evaluation.pdf). The view of your donor area shows very significant miniaturization of the donor area which means you are not a candidate for a hair transplant because it will fail. The hairs that get transplanted will look like these hairs and not have much bulk to them. The doctor who recommended 2000 grafts just wanted your money and probably never read about DUPA. You seem too smart for that doctor. The drug finasteride sometimes helps.

This is what my donor area looks like

Propecia Benefits Won’t Last Forever?

Note: I believe these were from two different people, but the questions are related so I’ll answer them together…

Email #1

Now doc , i have a suggestion to make just like you do.You write “Every person will eventually lose the benefits of this drug, but the open question is when” – there is no proof for this , or you do have one ? Even if this statement is based on your experience , you are aware that this is not official and there is not way to be.The official one is that after 5 years only 10 % of the people lose some hair , and please attention – more of teh 50 % of the rest CONTINUED to improve even after this.So unless you can prove the opposite ,please flag those ones as “my opiniion ” or “may” or “might ” , but please do not make statements which are neither proven nor stuided in the medical literature – 10x

Email #2

Why do you recommend Propecia to people that come to you for hair transplants if the effect is only temporary? I just ask because you emphasize a master plan for long term benefits, and it seems like as soon as the drug stops working, the hair it saved will fall out and the patient will have that embarrassing pluggy look -bald head with transplanted hairs. Isn’t it setting up people for more misery to take a drug that temporarily grows their hair back, only for it to fail and then they experience going bald again?

Thanks for your time

Read the official study posted at Hairlosstalk.com and you can draw whatever conclusions you want from it. I believe that this drug has a forever component, but that does not mean that it will hold all of the initial benefits forever. Each person will react differently and I can’t give an exact timetable for when you’ll start to see thinning continuing (if ever). So yes, the medication does work “forever” as long as you continue taking, but the benefits may eventually appear to be less. It could be 5 years, it could be 20 years. The only facts at our hands are in the official Merck/FDA studies.

Propecia’s benefits aren’t quite temporary. It’s not just going to suddenly one day turn itself off 100%. The entire point of a Master Plan is to create a roadmap for a worst case scenario of hair loss so that nobody is taken by surprise if the progressive nature of MPB becomes more evident a decade after you start Propecia. With the modern hair transplantation, the “embarrassing pluggy look” you described shouldn’t occur.

Propecia is a miracle drug for many people, as it gets them some (or a lot) of their hair back… and it largely slows or stops the hair loss. Many of my patients swear by this medication. This is a type of medication in that if it grew hair back and stopped or slowed hair loss, them some benefit will probably last ‘forever’. Of course, you can test this by just stopping the drug and seeing what happens. Most people who saw substantial benefits and then stopped the medication saw hair loss, which suggests that the drug had some residual value. The alternative is that you can elect to take your natural balding process to its conclusion, reflecting your genetic makeup. Your choice, of course.

Do all transplanted grafts shed after the surgery?

I know that theres a small chance that your grafts don’t shed at all, but thats not what I am talking about. I had my surgery done 2 months ago, most of my transplanted grafts shed until the 1 month mark, since then i have kept around 30-40% of the others and they grew like my other hair. Is this normal that not all shed, or should i expect them to also fall out in the next weeks?

It is common to lose all or some of the transplanted grafts between weeks 2-5. Many of the grafts that stick around will grow, similar to your native hair. I transplanted my cousin, and in just 4 months, he had a full head of hair. He told me that he never shed any grafts. Then I did another transplant on him to thicken up the previous transplant because his hair was “fine”. He didn’t shed grafts the second time either. I find that one in 30-50 patients, will not shed their grafts.

Propecia Is Working in the Hairline, But Not on the Top of the Scalp

Thank you for listening. I have been taking Propecia for a little over 10 months now, and it seems as if it is having a strange effect. It seems that it has started to rebuild my hairline, which was receding somewhat with moderate miniaturization. Alas, it has not shown any results in the vertex/top of scalp. Have you heard of this before? I’m merely curious as to whether this is common. Thanks for your time.

What you are experiencing is not common, but it does happen. Hair loss varies in individuals and by location in the scalp. Experience has shown that the drug works best in areas where the hair loss is most recent. Is that what you are seeing?

Do Gray Hairs Fall Out?

Good morning doc. I’m a 26 year old male who is starting to go gray, pretty heavy on the sides & starting to in the front as well. Is this a good sign that said gray hair won’t fall out? Does this mean the gray hair has already passed a barrier to balding or is it just as likely to fall out as the other “youthful” (brown) colored hairs? Thanks for the great blog!

The graying of hairs is independent of balding (no relationship). Graying is genetic and not necessarily reflecting getting ‘old’, and you are not alone. I have seen many men and women who turn gray in their 20’s. The reason most people do not see them is that they hit the dying bottle and never show their secret.

Propecia Stopped Working After 3 Years

I have been on propecia for 3 years, now I am 24 and the effects seem to be wearing off. It has worked well to stop loss up until now. What would cause it to stop working and how can I combat this? Is there something else I can take? What about avodart?

Thanks a million!

Unfortunately, Propecia (and probably Avodart) will eventually stop working in men with an aggressive genetic hair loss predisposition. In these men, you need to have a Master Plan to determine what you might do when the drugs stop working. In many young men taking Propecia, the effects over time will decrease, but when it does, you should not stop taking it because then you will experience what I call ‘catch-up hair loss’, which means that you will lose all of the benefits of the drug over the previous years within months upon stopping it.

Some doctors who prescribe Avodart are reporting better results in men like you, but this is still no miracle cure. Even if the Avodart works where Propecia fails, the Avodart will eventually fail as well.


2006-02-20 08:52:35Propecia Stopped Working After 3 Years

Am I a good candidate for a hair transplant? (photo)

You have what appears to be diffuse thinning from the view in the photo below, but to make the diagnosis, you need a microscopic examination of the donor area to quantify the degree of miniaturization that is present in the donor area directly at the bottom of the scalp in the back of your head. Drs. Rassman and Bernstein first defined DUPA (Diffuse Unpatterned Alopecia), a rare condition in men, common in women. The only treatment for this is finasteride; it works in less than 50% of men. This diagnosis must be made with a hand microscope measuring the degree of miniaturization in the donor area in the back of the head.

Now about your question. You have a very, very small, and limited donor area based on the photo you sent me. The harvestable hairs, even if you don’t have DUPA (I suspect that a good hand microscope will show DUPA), you wouldn’t have enough hair to signifier impact your appearance. Beware of any doctor, anywhere, who would offer you a hair transplant. The results of a hair transplant will be a disaster for you. A dishonest doctor or ignorant illegal technician who does surgeries at a discounted rate may feel you are a good candidate because of the money they will make from you.

DUPA

Propecia’s Male Breast Cancer Risk

Hi, I’m thinking of taking propecia (my trichologist has advised that I would benefit from taking this medication) but, from reading your site I’ve just noticed the issue about risk of male breast cancer. My mum has had breast cancer and I’m concerned that this could cause problems for me now if I start taking propecia. Could you give me some advice on what to do as up until this point I was happy with taking the drug!

There have been two cases in the medical literature of male breast cancer reported with a patient on Propecia. The incidence of breast cancer in men as about 1% of female incidence. This alone may account for the finding in those two patients. It is not a high risk issue, even for those with a history of female breast cancer in the family.